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superchunk said:
Gunman121 said:

1) That's hilarious. That isn't even close to being true. (if necessary i can go into detail, a simple statement should suffice though.) Not at all, despite the rapid improvement in graphics .. The game loses quality elsewhere. The integrated Tegra chips /Snapdragons can provide quite great graphics, but it lacks all the special effects necessary. A AMD 7xxx series or a Nvidia 6xx series blows a mobile chip anyday.

2) Incorrect. Onlive will not have console exclusives. Furthermore, onlive already struggles to do 720 P. Until internet hosts begin integrating faster connections, and Onlive upgrades their servers, consoles still deliver the better expierence. (Not to mention you need a subscription to onlive or buy games from it..)

3) Not entirely sure what the point is for number 3, so i'll wait to see what you mean exactly.


1) I was not referring to now but to late 2013 based on the very fast increase in mobile hardware technology. By the time PS4/neXtBox launch there will be phone/tablets that are close enough to them to run scaled down games. With a year to 18mos of their launch they will be matched by these same devices. Next year we'll see games that are equal in nearly all ways to vitaPs360 and those games will continue to launch after next-gen is fully out there. All it takes is a few Android/GoogleTV/iOS set-top boxes with dedicated controls to make 3rd parties throw games at them. The massive interest in this device proves to publishers there is interest.

2) Networks get better every day as does the compression technology OnLive and others use. There's a reason Sony just bought Gaikai. Exclusives have nothing to do with this topic. People will buy Ms/Sony/Nintendo for their exclusives, sure, but there are a very large number of people who don't care as much as only play COD or some other set of 3rd party games. In fact, I'd wager that they are a larger set of consumers. Especially the casuals.

3)This means the whole idea "but it haz no controllerz... " is pointless. (sorry I hear it all the time) So as these set-top boxes become more prelavent as Android and iOS matures, you'll see a lot of $99 or $199 boxes for TVs that will easily equal anything in this or next-gen PLUS all the smart OS features users want. So game centric devices like this will not be as important.

I'll interject my 2 cents here, if I may.

1) This is true, but has two majors cons. Cost to the consumer and stability to the developer _and_ consumer. As a consumer, the costs can be alot more, either over time via 2 year lock in contracts (thus upgrades only happen every 2-3 years) or having to spend upwards of $499 for a non-contract phone. As a developer, and to an extent as a consumer, the target hardware is constantly moving. As a developer, which hardware to you target? This years phones or last years phones? You buy a phone and within the year it likely will see no OS upgrades (android) and will likely not be able to handle the next years top games. Thus you might have to wait a year to be able to play the games you want, and get locked into another 2 year contract or pay another $499. You can see why alot of people might be excited (developers _and_ consumers) for something that could potentially stabalize development targets and consumer costs. Even a year upgrade path is ok if the cost of buying the next year kit is only $99.

 

2) Every day is a bit of a stretch. I have been stuck at my 3.5mbit line for some time with no good upgrade path that does not cost more. Most carriers tend not to just randomly upgrade your bandwidth every year just because. You will always have to be on the lookout for upgrades, sidegrades, and cost reductions to new plans. The average bandwidth accross suburbia will not reach OnLive needs for quite some time. As for Gaikai. That will likely take a few years to fully develop or at the very least will be niche playstation plus stuff that won't reach anywhere near the majority of PSN accounts. You are right though that it is inevitable that eventually the mass market for OnLive and Gakai will appear sooner rather than later, just not within the year. More likely is a few years off.

 

3) It's all relative to the moment at hand. In the future we may indeed see more set top boxes (or inbuilt TV) that provide these same exact features (minus the controller? or maybe not). That doesn't really negate that come march 2013 this may be first to mass market for cheap. We've been hearing about android/iOS set top boxes for a few years now and I have seen none viable yet. As well as the fact that brand can go along way. OUYA may just pull the wind out of the sails of all those would be game enabled set top boxes.



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23,000 sold.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

And 24,000 reached. If it continues at this rate, it looks like they might actually sell all of their 80,000 consoles...



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

So how does this kick starter website work for the people backing the project. Does the revenue first received when the project go on sale get paid back to the backers then the makers keep profit or is it purely people generosity of donating and the creator keeps all proceeds



yum123 said:
So how does this kick starter website work for the people backing the project. Does the revenue first received when the project go on sale get paid back to the backers then the makers keep profit or is it purely people generosity of donating and the creator keeps all proceeds


You donate the money, and then when you do you receive something based on how much you paid. You are more or less pre-ordering an item, but your money actually goes into making it. They don't take the money unless it is completely funded either, so if you pledge money on something that doesn't make it, they don't take a penny. I've funded a few things, comic books, and a CD, and have been very happy with the whole ordeal. 

Basically, it's a way to fund something that probably wouldn't see the light of day. 



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57,000+ sold. Damn.



TadpoleJackson said:
yum123 said:
So how does this kick starter website work for the people backing the project. Does the revenue first received when the project go on sale get paid back to the backers then the makers keep profit or is it purely people generosity of donating and the creator keeps all proceeds


You donate the money, and then when you do you receive something based on how much you paid. You are more or less pre-ordering an item, but your money actually goes into making it. They don't take the money unless it is completely funded either, so if you pledge money on something that doesn't make it, they don't take a penny. I've funded a few things, comic books, and a CD, and have been very happy with the whole ordeal. 

Basically, it's a way to fund something that probably wouldn't see the light of day. 


Yea I realise that but whats the return procedure for the investor. from your comment I gather for this example all people who backed this project will receieve the ouya console for free or is it a % return from what you invested. what was your return from funding those projects.



How is this going to get 3rd party support if the console is made to be hackable, seems like piracy would run rampant. This is a novel idea but I hope these guys aren't biting off more then they can chew.



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yum123 said:
TadpoleJackson said:
yum123 said:
So how does this kick starter website work for the people backing the project. Does the revenue first received when the project go on sale get paid back to the backers then the makers keep profit or is it purely people generosity of donating and the creator keeps all proceeds


You donate the money, and then when you do you receive something based on how much you paid. You are more or less pre-ordering an item, but your money actually goes into making it. They don't take the money unless it is completely funded either, so if you pledge money on something that doesn't make it, they don't take a penny. I've funded a few things, comic books, and a CD, and have been very happy with the whole ordeal. 

Basically, it's a way to fund something that probably wouldn't see the light of day. 


Yea I realise that but whats the return procedure for the investor. from your comment I gather for this example all people who backed this project will receieve the ouya console for free or is it a % return from what you invested. what was your return from funding those projects.

In this case, only the backers who pay $99 or more will get the console. You can see the rewards you'll get depending on how much you pay on the right side bar on the kickstarter page.

Don't think of it as an investment, more like a pre-order where you are only guaranteed to get the product if it's successfully made.



yum123 said:


Yea I realise that but whats the return procedure for the investor. from your comment I gather for this example all people who backed this project will receieve the ouya console for free or is it a % return from what you invested. what was your return from funding those projects.


Again, it's better to think of it more like a pre-order system. If you donate $99 you get a Ouya, if you donate more you get other stuff.  You don't get a % back 

Fusioncode said:
How is this going to get 3rd party support if the console is made to be hackable, seems like piracy would run rampant. This is a novel idea but I hope these guys aren't biting off more then they can chew.

 Piracy pretty much runs rampant on Android and ios anyways