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Christie vs Clinton

Clinton by a landslide 21 45.65%
 
Clinton squeaks by 18 39.13%
 
Christie by a landslide 1 2.17%
 
Christie squeaks by 6 13.04%
 
Total:46

I guess Christie. You win if you eat your opponent, right?



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Mr Khan said:
Chris Christie, because even a fat guy is preferable to a woman, when it comes to politics :P

Seriously, however, i'm almost positive Clinton won't be in it. Say, Cuomo, O'Malley, or Sebelius, but not Clinton.

Yeah i mean... has anyone seen Hilary Clinton lately?  She's gotten the "President's Treatment" as Secretary of State. 

She probably won't even run in 2016.


Not seing Cuomo, O'Mally  honestly...

O'Mally would have alot of hurdles his way to win a general election.  Espeically if homosexuality support doesn't increase much among minorities.  He won't be able to back off it like Obama because he's proposed actual legisilation for gay marriage.

While Cuomo would just be Mitt Romney.  Was super liberal, then suddenly switched to be realativly conservative economically once put in charge?  And you know attack adds will tie his HUD policies to the Sub Prime Morgage Crisis.

Mark Warner would be the strongest choice to run against someone like Chris Christie, though he might have the same troubles Romney had, proving he's far to his partys extreme to win the primary.


Virginian, Pro Buisness, enacted tax increases to save Viriginia from it's debt problem...

These are kikely going to be big issues in 2016.  He'd be able to basically match any republcians claims at being more Pro Buisness.

He'd be a big move back towards the Clinton model of Democrat.



Mr Khan said:
makingmusic476 said:

I think Christie would never win a primary, between his size and his candid (often straight up angry) attitude.  The man comes off as having little self-control, and his dimeanor would in particular not go over well with women, methinks.

I also think Clinton might consider herself too old to run in 2016. Though if she does run, she's almost guaranteed the nom.

You'd think the weight would be an asset, actually. With me being unable to think of a way to say this politely: the large numbers of fat Americans would go for a fat guy, since he looks more "normal," just like how politicians don't like looking too intellectual

Nah.  The difference is, there are actual negatives to being too intellectual.  When your too intellectual you tend to miss the big picture and breeds arrogance which often leads to a failure to consider other ideas that may be better.

While there aren't There aren't really any negatives towards being too handsome.

 

Or if you want to look at it from the "President as your friend or husband" angle.   A decent number of people have a problem dating someone way smarter then them.   Nobody really has a problem dating someone way more goodlooking then them.



dany612 said:
A Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Warren combo could be deadly. 

Deadly for what... the democrats chances?

Hillary Clinton couldn't even beat Obama in a primary largely due to sexism.

The "Brogressive" movement would completely fail in supporting a Hillary Candidicy... espiecally with a female running mate.

The problem with female candidates, is that even by most Demcorats... if they're polite and well spoken they're seen as "Too feminine for leadership" and if they're like most polticians, somewhat agressive and biting they're seen as being a "bitch".

All one has to do is go back over the Democratic debate analysis between Obama and Hilary, it's chock full of so much sexism it's hard to ignore.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/12/23/media-sexism-doomed-hillarys-2008-bid

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/erbe/2009/01/14/the-treatment-of-hillary-clinton-shows-sexism-pervades-society



Kasz216 said:
dany612 said:
A Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Warren combo could be deadly. 

Deadly for what... the democrats chances?

Hillary Clinton couldn't even beat Obama in a primary largely due to sexism.

The "Brogressive" movement would completely fail in supporting a Hillary Candidicy... espiecally with a female running mate.

The problem with female candidates, is that even by most Demcorats... if they're polite and well spoken they're seen as "Too feminine for leadership" and if they're like most polticians, somewhat agressive and biting they're seen as being a "bitch".

All one has to do is go back over the Democratic debate analysis between Obama and Hilary, it's chock full of so much sexism it's hard to ignore.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/12/23/media-sexism-doomed-hillarys-2008-bid

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/erbe/2009/01/14/the-treatment-of-hillary-clinton-shows-sexism-pervades-society

You are right about the sexism part. However, Hillary's downfall also came because of the media's favorability towards Obama. Her approval ratings are fairly adequate right now and she has a strong base that includes some moderate Republicans. While it's highly dobutful she would pick Warren as VP, she could easily hand pick a notable male Democrat. Her problem for not clinching the nomination also came as minority Democrats were split with blacks overwhelmingly backing Obama and Latinos favoring Hillary but in the end the media won. If you recall the SNL sketch of a debate between those two. 

I do remember jokes of bad taste teasing Hillary. There were numerous sites with users calling her a witch, and that infamous nut cracker doll. But most of those attacks came from the Right, at a time when Hillary possesed a much bigger threat.  

 

Given that Obama will be out of the picture this time, there is no candidate that I see who can rob her of the Democratic nomination. In the presidential run, she would have a solid lead among blacks, latinos, other minorities, and women. Her appeal among average white men would be something to monitor though. The political landscape will be a tad different as well. Due to the growth in latino populations some states like Arizona could start to become swing states. 



 

        

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no one, because regardless of who wins we all lose.

..but seriously, don't care as neither will get the nomination.



Chris Christie is sweet, charming, and handsome! so stop being jealous of him!



I trust no one, not even myself.

More than likely it will be a President: Romney versus Hilary Clinton show down in 2016.