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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012
supermario128 said:
Linkzmax said:

I understand making a change so you're less likely to be lynched. However, why did you announce it?

Didn't you already answer your own question?

Linkz: "I'm not voting yet, but if I were to I'd vote for spurge, radish, or the super serial Mario.(And so that there's no misreading that, I mean his serious attitude)"

Obviously, if I didn't say I was going to play more serious ahead of time people would think I am changing my play style for a different reason. I'm pretty sure I already mentioned I would play more serious before the game even started, but if I didn't say so directly then I meant to and it should be obvious as to why. Anyways,  this is a bit funny. I get lynched for being too care free and obnoxious and now you are saying you would vote for me because I am being too serious.

I see two things wrong with your behavior. Announcing a change in-game more often comes from scum than town. You may have mentioned something in the post-game after last round, and if so I will retract that point.

The second thing is now you're pre-defending a proposed positive change in behavior. Someone calls you out for not being as jokey, and the natural thought should be that you got lynched for it. As someone trying to improve their play, doing something that is less likely to get you lynched is a good thing. That alone would be a horrible metric to judge your alignment.



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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Id just like to know if the suspicions directed at me are just really bad scumhunting or whether mafia thinks theyve struck gold with a possible sk lynch.

I'm just a townie really pissed at you.

Linkz I think is scum trying to get some benefit.

Weird.. I seem to remember someone else suggesting prof could be SK. Jeez, if it was me I'm going to look so foolish!

no if you turn out to be scum, and I figured it out from something you did today it would leave you looking so foolish.

Me saying a way prof could do what he did that wouldn't really hurt his team, not so much

I wasn't calling you foolish in any way. Merely poking fun at the idea that I'm mafia trying to benefit by lynching a possible SK prof. Heck, if I'm mafia thinking prof is SK I'd absolutely keep him around. Yeah he'd have to bite a bullet at some point,(or get lynched if that failed due to BP SK) but that's the case even if he's town. Yet as SK I don't think he'd kill me night one, and so I'd want him around.



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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012
Wonktonodi said:
Prof what you say does make sense, just be glad I wasn't the mod with these rule :)
However I am still mad that you took that risk.

As for you guys saying it's game breaking, I have to disagree, yes it could be used to confirm town but at the same time if no townies had power over night, the confirmed player could just be killed by mafia risk free since there would be no doc, nor anyone able to see who made the kill. Plus no cop investigation.

A free kill on a player that can't leave any trace? Yeah I imagine mafia would be very distraught over that.

I'm just glad none of you have thought(or at least mentioned) what could really be disasterous for town.



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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012
c03n3nj0 said:
Wonk, why do you have in your mind that we would get the rolebreaker's role? Stefl can just as likely keep it secret if the town lost its night powers or not.

How can Stefl keep it a secret if town has lost their powers or not. Sure for vanillas and protective(unless their target dies) it's easy. But any investigative roles or even a vig shot would either know town was penalized or Stefl would have to lie.



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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012
supermario128 said:

Linkz: Seems to be VERY eager so far. More so than I have ever seen him. It could be that he has more free time, or that he was excited to play again after hosting, or it could be a false cover to appear town (Did he really read his PM like he said?), OR something else entirely. His general thoughts seem to be similar to my own though. Suspicious of Prof, suspicious of Spurge, and his reasoning behind things. Normally I would conclude someone to be pro town for scum hinting the way he is, but it seemed like he is going after anyone that slips up to try and get an easy lynch. I'm leaning towards scum for him, but I could be wrong. HoS: Linkz

co3: His posts make a lot of sense and I agree with his reasoning. The only thing that seemed a bit odd is that he almost seemed to try and steer Spurge away from the mess he was in. Here he says he wants to give him more time and doesn't even FoS him, but he did give one to Linkz who was originally arguing with Spurge. Here he summarizes he summarizes a bit of what happened and then tells Spurge to make more sense (play better). I'm leaning towards pro town for him.

Me: How could I know I'm the pilot of an EG-X if I didn't read my PM?!? Weird that you have the same general thoughts as me, yet think I'm scum going after easy lynches.(LOL @ prof being an easy lynch) Are you excused because you're just being quieter?

j0: So you're suspcious of spurge, and find it odd that he(j0) seemed to be coaching spurge, yet you think he's pro town? Could you explain that better.



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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012

supermario128 said:

Wonktonodi said:

I'm the corener, so scum may have a janitor or stefl may not reveal lynches. Whatever the case may be I'd rather not lose my power from a townie being stupid.

You shouldn't jump to conclusions. It is very likely that we may have a passive janitor amongst ourselves. Think back to Hatz game with Pac Man. As far as your role claim goes, I am inclined to believe it and as far as I'm concerned this 99% confirms you as town. There is no way scum would lie about being a corener or for that role to be anything other than pro town.

Why wouldn't scum lie about being a coroner? We considered doing it ourselves in hat's game, did we not?

c03n3nj0 said:
Role-Claim on friggin' day 1! Geez, wonk.

Anyways, two scenarios:

Real Claim - there's a Janitor. Wonk jumped the gun.

Fake Claim - Wonk is mafia, a relatively safe claim, since he knows for a FACT that there is no janitor in his team, so no one will counter-claim coroner.

As Wonk said, if there are no missing flips then he'd be outted as a very likely liar. Making your fake claim option quite unlikely. IF it's a fake claim, coroner destroys a lot of the usefulness of mafia's janitor and in fact can make it a liability, and so it isn't very common of a role. So the option is more likely Wonk is mafia and they DO have a janitor. There's a small risk of counter-claim, but coroner is quite easy to fake if there isn't one.

I have no reason not to believe it though, and it's one of those things that will probably prove itself.



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Linkzmax on 03 July 2012
Wonktonodi said:
c03n3nj0 said:
@ wonk.

I was expecting an excuse for your theories, not a roleclaim! I was measuring you up. That's okay, though, what's happened happened.

With what's given there's no logic besides believing you. So hell, I'll ask this:
Why do you think links is mafia?


It's based soley on some of his past behavior but this is the post where I first thought he was scum. Nothing he's done since has made me think otherwise.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4661544

I wonder if it's a matter of my meaning not being the same as your interpretation, because I don't see anything scummy about it. I suppose it could be read that I'm being wishy-washy on radish, but my comment on his vote was just picking at his play.



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NotStan on 03 July 2012

Well Noctis has contributed nothing of value and proceeded to even ask himself to get lynched.

Weird that Wonk has role claimed so early and without really much pressure, but if he's on the scum team and there is no janitor in game does that mean that there would be essentially no way to prove his roleclaim?

Still weary of prof for that blunder, but dont understand why people would just dismiss it as "that has prof written all over it alright" the game of mafia is about changing your playstyle and using the old games as a basis doesn't necessarily provide a clear picture of what he's doing..

On that note, where the hell is radish?



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NoCtiS_NoX on 03 July 2012
supermario128 said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:
I will just simply ignore the one who's tunneling so whatever.
Why so zerious??

Maybe you are not serious enough?

 


You are obnoxious.



WiiBox3 on 03 July 2012
NotStan said:
Well Noctis has contributed nothing of value and proceeded to even ask himself to get lynched.

Weird that Wonk has role claimed so early and without really much pressure, but if he's on the scum team and there is no janitor in game does that mean that there would be essentially no way to prove his roleclaim?

Still weary of prof for that blunder, but dont understand why people would just dismiss it as "that has prof written all over it alright" the game of mafia is about changing your playstyle and using the old games as a basis doesn't necessarily provide a clear picture of what he's doing..

On that note, where the hell is radish?


That makes the situation scarry. If he is a coroner and we lynch him we lost that ablitiy, but if he is scum and there is no janitor we will be forced to beleive he is in fact a coroner. So either way we are damned. Unless he gets killed at night... but then why would the mafia do that if they think the town would be suspect of him and lynch Wonk for them. ... It's almost a catch 22.

Since I don't know most of you very well yet, the only person I can really by suspect of is Spurge. It's strange when he doesn't post a lot in a forum, but then again I don't know his play style for mafia. Maybe he doesn't post a lot in Mafia games, because he is busy keeping up the Nintendo threads. Can anyone give me more insite to his playstyle for Mafia? As it stands I'll point an extreemly shakey FoS to Spurge.