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d21lewis said:
NintendoPie said:
d21lewis said:
Maybe the show is good. Maybe it's got a lot of great humor, good writing, and social commentary. That still doesn't change the fact that the show was made specifically for little girls. As good as it may be, it isn't made for manly guys like me and Gilgamesh.

Here's the deal: I won't watch My Little Pony if Lisa Simpson doesn't play for the school football team.

Manly Guys? So, you aren't going to watch this show because you are Manly?

That is possibly the worst reason I've heard for not watching this show so far. 

At least you aren't being too ridiculous, and saying that it may be a good show, as some people are in this thread. It still doesn't mean you should think you can't or shouldn't watch a show because you are a manly man.


To be 100% honest, when I was very young, I watched G.I. Joe, Transformets, Inhumanoids, and......Jem and the Holgrams, Care Bears, and My Little Pony.  I actually liked those shows, too. I liked every cartoon.  These days, I have to say I don't watch any TV except for Futurama, American Dad, CNN, and WWE.  It's not like I'm incapable of enjoying a show clearly marketed for little girls.  My little girl watches this show (I've yet to see a single episode) but she also watches Batman, Avengers, Spider-Man, Young Justice, and more.  The "Manly Man" comment was actually a bit of a lame joke (and before I put Gilgamesh's name there, I had Jay520's name in that place.)

Oh, and Lisa Simpson DID play football.

I'm not going to watch the show because it's not for me.  I don't think I'll enjoy it.  Just like if I saw a movie trailer and it didn't look like something I would enjoy, I'm not going to go out of my way to watch it unless something changes my mind.  From what I've seen of MLP, it's not offering anything that I can't get anywhere else and the presentation doesn't make me want to watch it, either.  That's just the way it is.

Well then I can agree with you and respect your opinion on this.

The Manly Man statement just caught me off guard. It was really one-sided and ignorant. Now I know it's just a joke, since you told me, and I'm fine with your opinion on this. 



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Soleron said:
sales2099 said:
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The Pixar movie line is neither here or there. Those movies are meant for everyone. MLP not only isnt meant for everyone but has a set gender and set age boundaries. 

Hasbro has set age boundaries  in mind, yes. Because they only care about toy sales. The creator of the show has a number of interview stating that her intention was for it to appeal to everyone

What qualities seperate a kids and adult show in your view?

When I watch something like the Big Bang Theory it is incredibly immature with sex references every other line and completely unrealistic depictions of the character's lives and actions.

@d21lewis

I respect that.

You know I have made this point before and you ignored it. However I have yet to see any proof at all that she intended the show to be for everyone before the brony thing happened and turned into an exploitable market segment.

In fact even when the brony thing had just started she still wasn't saying it. Interview here

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Another challenge was meeting the perceived needs of our young target demographic.  We had to figure out how to make the more adventure-y shows compelling and exciting without being scary.  It took some extra thought and a combination of careful storytelling, lots of jokes, and appropriate, appealing designs.  Tone adjustments helped as well - like lightening a scary situation with humor and whimsical design, or making an otherwise non-threatening scene more tense with art direction, music, and proper timing. ''
'' . And Luna, though good, was meant to be associated with darkness and night - and these are considered (by some) to be iffy themes for a show for young girls - so she had to slide to the wayside. ''

Taken from a post by her 
''The messages I’m really trying to get across with the show are these:

  • There are lots of different ways to be a girl.''
    ''  Cartoons for girls don’t have to be a puddle of smooshy, cutesy-wootsy, goody-two-shoeness. Girls like stories with real conflict; girls are smart enough to understand complex plots; girls aren’t as easily frightened as everyone seems to think. Girls are complex human beings, and they can be brave, strong, kind and independent–but they can also be uncertain, awkward, silly, arrogant or stubborn. They shouldn’t have to succumb to pressure to be perfect.''

The only thing that even vaguely backs the idea that it was made to be enjoyed by all ages is that she says she likes the idea of all-ages entertainment. However even then she doesn't say her show was made that way but simply that she likes the idea of it. This is even after the brony thing though. The only other statement I can find vageuly supporting the idea of it being for everyone is that Hasbro wanted parents to be able to enjoy it with their children. Which is most definitely not creating a show for everyone. 

I have said this to you before that I have no problem with bronies, only their childish embarassment about what they like. Rather than admit it is meant for young girls they always protest and try and claim that the creator always intended it to also be for them. They can't simply be happy and enjoy what they like rather they have to try and justify it and change what the thing is. There is no embarassment in liking things made for different audiences yet bronies always act like there is by trying to pretend the show is something it isn't. 

Well that and when they make claims that it is the greatest thing ever achieved by humanity which I find insulting to a vast number of achievements. 

Turkish says and I'm allowed to quote that: Uncharted 3 and God Of War 3 look better than Unreal Engine 4 games will or the tech demo does. Also the Naughty Dog PS3 ENGINE PLAYS better than the UE4 ENGINE.

sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:

This will go nowhere. People like what they like I suppose. But ill still answer your question.

Intended demographics (age and gender), media, and aesthetic is what separates for me.   



Just so we are clear. Presentation > quality to you?

No. Presentation + quality = enjoyment

And seriously....you mention MLP and GOT in the same sentence in the real world to GOT fans......lol let me know how that goes 

fwiw GoT is also great and the only other TV show I've followed this year. The acting is its strength really.

Not seeing much GoT music or fangames. If you know of any I'd love to see.



sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:

This will go nowhere. People like what they like I suppose. But ill still answer your question.

Intended demographics (age and gender), media, and aesthetic is what separates for me.   



Just so we are clear. Presentation > quality to you?

No. Presentation + quality = enjoyment

And seriously....you mention MLP and GOT in the same sentence in the real world to GOT fans......lol let me know how that goes 



Okay, just seems odd to me that youd let a show's presentation turn you off regardless of the show's quality.

I was not comparing the quality of GoT & MLP. I was comparing their potential for both being great shows that VGC introduces me to.

As a child of the 80's, I remember cartoons being much better than anything you guys have today.....but then I looked at youtube. I watched some of the old shows I watched as a kid on Netflix. You know what? Cartoons are pretty darn good, these days. There's a lot of good stuff out there, depending on what you're looking for. Even though My Little Pony isn't for me, I still can't imagine why it would appeal to a lot of other adult males. There's just too much out there. I will stand by that belief but who knows? Maybe I'll sit down and watch it with my kid some day.

Enjoy your pony cartoon, guys.



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I have said this to you before that I have no problem with bronies, only their childish embarassment about what they like. Rather than admit it is meant for young girls they always protest and try and claim that the creator always intended it to also be for them. They can't simply be happy and enjoy what they like rather they have to try and justify it and change what the thing is. There is no embarassment in liking things made for different audiences yet bronies always act like there is by trying to pretend the show is something it isn't. 

Clearly it was commissioned for girls and aired because of its appeal to girls. I only argue against that categorisation being used to say that adults shouldn't watch it.

 The section of the brony fanbase I dislike most are those that say the references in the show were put there "for us". They are not, they are simply general pop culture references or in some cases to amuse the animators themselves. I am under no illusions about why this show continues to be produced.

Well that and when they make claims that it is the greatest thing ever achieved by humanity which I find insulting to a vast number of achievements. 

It is NOT an amazing achievement by any of the creative staff. Their work shows only competence, anything less shouldn't even be on TV. Its existence does, however, make my life worth living. I'm not saying that is true for anyone else but myself.

 





d21lewis said:
As a child of the 80's, I remember cartoons being much better than anything you guys have today.....but then I looked at youtube. I watched some of the old shows I watched as a kid on Netflix. You know what? Cartoons are pretty darn good, these days. There's a lot of good stuff out there, depending on what you're looking for. Even though My Little Pony isn't for me, I still can't imagine why it would appeal to a lot of other adult males. There's just too much out there. I will stand by that belief but who knows? Maybe I'll sit down and watch it with my kid some day.

Enjoy your pony cartoon, guys.


It does have alot of references that only older males would get like in this picture.



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Blacksaber said:
d21lewis said:
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It does have alot of references that only older males would get like in this picture.

That was not put in for us, nor should it be used to sell the show to people.



Soleron said:


Its existence does, however, make my life worth living.

This raised my eyebrow.  Are you saying that the reason you are alive is because of My Little Pony?  There are a lot of ways I can interpret this but I just want to ask this one question.  I'm being serious when I ask this, too:  Is everything okay?



If you don't want to "ruin" your big manly self-image by watching ponies, don't watch it. Don't get mad at people who watch ponies. I think it shows that we are stronger because we don't care what others think of us.

Be yourself.



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