For me I have just stopped enjoying the art direction and feel of the games, I brought a Wii on release day in 2006 just for Zelda as that was my childhood favourite game ... I didn't finish it.

For some reason I didn't like the feel of the controls with the wii mote, it might of changed with wm+ but I didnt get to that stage before I sold the console.

I won't be buying WiiU day one because of the wii, but I will be watching closely if they can do a full fledged zelda game like their cgi demo or near I will probably be interested.

I know I will enjoy the latest iteration of Mario Kart but I will need a few more games which could not be done before and are not just updated.

where is the option that says not labelled Nintendo?

@ MDMAlliance 

The term 'hardcore' was never distinct nor prominent until this very generation, I'm not exactly sure why so I made a wild assumption. The tag 'mature' serves more than a simple discription to these gamers, it justify their hobbies which they previous deemed as childish. And I'm not implying hardcore gamers mostly play on PC, I am saying they are willing to seek for the best possible available platforms for the games they are interested in, like choosing Watchdog on Wii U if it offers what the other versions don't. That's my take on 'hardcore' audience. 

@Homer

Aye, don't forget all the delicious games on windows like Internet Checkers.

I think a few people have already seen me say this...

4-5 interesting, great looking games, including at least 2 new IPs + Good TP (especially indie) support.

1. ZombiU
2. Pikmin 3
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?

(A 3D open world pokemon game, kinda like a bethesda game, featuring the 1st/2nd gen pokemon that are playable in battle, is something I want so damn badly it'll take up three slots)

TP: It's looking good, but still not clear if it'll get continued good support.

Indies: I know nothing about this. PSN and Steam provide excellent great for indies, XBLA is good as well. Wii U needs to match those high standards.

Oh and £200 is the most I'll spend on it.

in the other thread somehwo you got to 5 games and saying ok i am buying a wiiu. now you going backwards haha.

Hardcore gamers are gaming hobbyists. They enjoy challenging games. They are the backbone of the industry essentially.

Huh? 

Nooo someone quoted me and put games inside the list I think

oh, maybe haha. i never saw all the previous posts, jsut your original then suddenly a few hours later i saw yours quoted with filled out 5 haha.

Oh lol. That was just someone else who filled it out, putting the games they like in. I'm still 3 games and indie support from buying ;P

a super high budget Pokémon MMO for a home console

and I'd like to see Nintendo start a high budget "dark" IP - all other IPs can stay like they are, they don't need to change at all