| Kasz216 said: 1) Actually, the bubbles bursting elsewhere also was a big part of it... 2) Your ignoring those deductions... something like half of US taxfilers don't pay income taxes... most 10% and a lot of the 15% aren't really relevent... and capital gains taxes being lower aren't a problem. 75% of people making 25,000 and under don't pay any income taxes at all. The rest don't pay anywhere near that amount. In the US effective tax rates are MUCH lower then the shown ones. This is why you only see people compare romneys tax rate with the stated middle class tax rate. Or peope like Warren Buffet talking about the injustice of his secretary paying more in taxes when the reality is, his "secretary" makes hundreds of thousands and is considered rich if not also like buffet in the "1%". If you compaired the rich, even those who make most of their money on capital gains, their effective tax rate vs the average middle class guys effective... the're still paying a lot more then all but a few outliers. 3) I'd simply point you again to that article and well... the fact that most itnernational economists don't think that. Look back at the article posted... and the fact that well... pretty much every nation tried quick and early stimuli. Australia just wasn't as tied in to the hole crisis as everyone else. The Australian banks weren't really as interconnected as the US, Euroepon and Japanese banks were. 4) Except those numbers are afirly fraduliant in discussing healthcare. Life Expectancy? Considering the amount of homicide and people in jail... I'm going to guess that plays a large part. Nevermind higher obesity rates, higher smoking, pretty much just more unhealthy habits then anywhere else in the wolrd. Infant mortality has different factors... like for example what you qualify as an infant and what you qualify as a live birth that dies but wasn't a child. Furthermore, you can take identical towns, with indetical healthcare systems and the results would be far from identical, so cross country comparrisons with so many factors are laughable. I'd point you to a chapter in Outliers. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/books/chapters/chapter-outliers.html?pagewanted=all |
1. I'm going to simplify this. Read this: http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications/2011/Economic-Roundup-Issue-2/Report/The-Australian-economy-and-the-global-downturn-Part-1-Reasons-for-resilience
As for the housing bubbles, I do not deny that those bubbles bursting made it hit those countries harder... but the GFC itself affected every country, around the world, including those that didn't have housing bubbles. It was the American bubble bursting, and associated causes (banks-wise), that drove the GFC. The others were relatively minor.
2. I'm not ignoring deductions. As I pointed out, deductions, etc, just serve to complicate the system. And you also forget that Australia also has a variety of tax offsets and benefits provided to further reduce tax levels - the benefits actually serve to push some of the effective tax rates for low incomes into the negative region. And to be clear, this isn't welfare payments we're talking about. And yes, the rich that minimise their tax burden aren't paying less in total tax dollars - that's entirely beside the point. They're paying less in effective tax rate. That's the point.
3. I refer again to the link I just provided. Actual analysis shows that the impact of the stimulus was to boost the economy by more than 1% over the year that it was primarily spent. Since the GDP growth dipped below 1% in that same period, the stimulus is what prevented recession. The first round of stimulus spending meant that our downturn in growth was much gentler than others, prior to the second wave of impacts... and then, when the second wave hit, our downturn in growth was similar to those of other countries... until the second stimulus was put in place.
Our Mining sector, on the other hand, provided only 0.4% growth. Our connection with China helped to dull the effect of the GFC, but it wasn't what prevented the recession.
4. There's an episode in the final season of The West Wing, where the Democratic presidential campaign is 9 points down, and at first, they're happy, because once you factor in statistical error, they could be very close... but after a while, when one of the lesser staff comes in reporting 9 points down as though it's good, the communications director says "when the polls keep saying the same things over and over again, it's time to stop talking margins of error".
What's the relevance of this to the point? When all of the indicators, all of the comparisons, favour the Canadian system, it's time to stop arguing based on "fraudulent" numbers. Sure, things like homicide rate will impact life expectancy (not as much as you think - the homicide rate is 5.3 per 100,000, while the mortality rate is 746.2 per 100,000). Sure, there might be subtle differences in the national definitions of infant mortality - although I'm assuming that the source of the numbers I was comparing is international, and thus using the same definition.
And I would consider obesity problems and smoking to be part of the health responsibility of the government. Part of the Australian government's health expenditures includes campaigns to reduce obesity and smoking. As for the "two towns" element... I'm sorry, but while that's true when you're talking about populations of the order of 1000, when you're talking about 35 million people in one "town" and 314 million in the other, statistical variations and "outliers" will be miniscule. It's just not, speaking in terms of actual statistics (the field of mathematics, that is), a valid argument.








