Ultra violence in games has to stop?

Why exactly? Because you don't like it?

Shut up Spector. Our entertainment will not be censored because of your misgivings. What a ridiculous mind set to have, from someone apparently so creative as well.

Hmm I understand what you mean. At the same time though, if parent's are okay with their child playing that type of game for fun, then they must feel their child is mature enough to handle it. Like I said, it's muuuch easier for a kid to flip on the television or computer and see much much worse things than a character beating people up in a game.

About the female thing, I never thought of that. But again. Thought process : Computer + females = ????. (I'm sure you can figure it out)

The further problem relates merely to the idea that any game has to be violent or gritty to be a prestige game, and that if it's at all colorful or non-m-rated, then the game is somehow being diminished, in the eyes of both developers and hobbyist gamers, which drastically limits the range that "quality" games are allowed to pander to.

I don't think parents know what the kids are playing, they don't watch the screen and see exactly how much blood there is in an FPS or what happens during certain parts of GTA. When the kids who grew up with PS1 and on become parents, it will be better.

They succumb to the "Mommy can I have Call of Duty? All my 5th grade friends have it..." thing.

I have nothing against violent games being made; the industry should consider that adding it does not make their game better or more artistically edgy.

Said it better than I could.

thass what i'm sayin!

Yeah I can see the whole parent succumbing thing. But that's not the developers fault. The game was appropriately rated and the parents should know better. If that same kid went up to his mother and said "Mommy can we rent this movie, all my friends have seen it?" and the mom looks at it and she can see it's an obviously an extremely violent movie (and rated as such) she will probably use her better judgment and say no (if she feels her child isn't mature enough to view it yet). But it's her fault if she doesn't  look at the games rating.

@Bold Oh I totally agree. I'm not necessarily defending violence because I LOVE it in video games. In fact I would love to see more video games with out all the blood and gore n stuff. I like both types. While I'm VERY eager for The Last of US, I was also really interested when I read the thread yesterday about Miyamoto wanting to make a fps because I knew it wouldn't have blood or gore and would probably be a really fun, charming experience.

Oh, I'm a huge fan of greek mythology - at least as much as you can get from reading The Odyssey. Even though it is super violent, it's written in a way to sound heroic, evil, epic - it was not a way to get people say "wow, brain!" And most important, it was written. The shock value is diminished 95%. Not saying that writing can not be gruesome and butal, but that was not the case.

Notice how you don't see from that age violent drawings and sculptures depicting violence are rare too - most about Medusa. This makes a huge difference.It's much more brutal to depict visually a scene like that. Even more when you're in control!

And people at that time were a lot more condescending with killing and death too.

as a gore horror movie enthusiast.... i can tell you tha the level of violence available today is nowhere close to what was coming out in the 80's 90's... if consoles or pc had the power of today back then they would have had to invent a rated for 25 or older rating... censorship has been tuning down violence and especially sex in games and movie like never before....

in the 80's you had the entire italian horror movie era where animals got actually slaughtered prior to laws preventing it.... i can find you countless vampire lesbian S&M Nazi movie (all that in one movie rated R) with way more gruesome visual than you see in any movies or game today.... and i'm not even talking about the snuff movement of the 80's 90's....

not saying killing real animals is good or more violence is better.... but saying sex and violence is more vivid and present than ever before is complete and utter Bullshit at its best.... at best it has been cosmetized dumb down and rendered visually acceptable a la MTV reality TV programs and THAT is the issue.... back then violence was so vivid and extreme that it was making you want to puke and feel rationally uncomfortable about it.... now it's so tamed and silly that it's not shocking any more. certainly not because its too much that is simply not true at all...