“I think that’s the other thing about the Microsoft press conference. It’s always shocked me about how little Microsoft cared about the Windows platform. There was hardly a single talk about Windows 8 at all. You would’ve thought, with a billion installed machines, there would be at least some play. And the whole metro interface is much more gamified, but there was no talk about it at all.”

What the hell is this guy smoking? Aint he a game dvelopper? E3 is all about games. Why should they show Windows on E3? If you so much want to see Windows go back to a Windows conference.

There was also this journalist who criticized the lack of social gaming on E3.

I just lol at these pistols.

maxnyc said: Microsoft obsessively watches Sony who obsessively watches Nintendo. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Sony watches Nintendo? Thank god thats not true.

I disagree with him about innovation. Before we start innovating into new heights, we have to first master & deepen current experience. This is not the case today. Most game's have a lot of features, gimmicks, & other cool stuff but the core gameplay is incredibly shallow. We need to first deepen the core gameplay & not focus on making them cool. There are some games out there today that follow this pattern. But the majority are just dumbed down experiences with a coat of polish & flair. /rant

Turkish said: “I think that’s the other thing about the Microsoft press conference. It’s always shocked me about how little Microsoft cared about the Windows platform. There was hardly a single talk about Windows 8 at all. You would’ve thought, with a billion installed machines, there would be at least some play. And the whole metro interface is much more gamified, but there was no talk about it at all.” What the hell is this guy smoking? Aint he a game dvelopper? E3 is all about games. Why should they show Windows on E3? If you so much want to see Windows go back to a Windows conference. There was also this journalist who criticized the lack of social gaming on E3. I just lol at these pistols.

I believe he's referring to windows games

maxnyc said: Microsoft obsessively watches Sony who obsessively watches Nintendo. Yeah, that sounds about right.

... who obsessively watches Nintendo... who obsessively watches Apple.  Well, that is about as close as I can get to what is going on.  Obsessively may be a bit of an overstatement though.

Jay520 said: I disagree with him about innovation. Before we start innovating into new heights, we have to first master & deepen current experience. This is not the case today. Most game's have a lot of features, gimmicks, & other cool stuff but the core gameplay is incredibly shallow. We need to first deepen the core gameplay & not focus on making them cool. There are some games out there today that follow this pattern. But the majority are just dumbed down experiences with a coat of polish & flair. /rant

The interface for videogame consoles today is NOT sufficient to fully do what gamers need.  There is a reason, for example, you don't really get RTS titles on consoles.  The current dual-stick analog console controlers just aren't suited for everything.  Motion control does add more, but it isn't there.  Innovation has to take place in interface area of gamers.  Also, costs need to be kept down, so new play experiences can be added.  Costs are so high, that the industry plays it safe on the top end.  It is why you see a glut of FPS titles.

Gameplay has been dumbed down, as the idea is to get people play through stories.  It all needs to be accessible, and easy.  Thing is that a game need not be that expensive to produce.  What ends up being an issue though is to add a ton of production value on top, and then drive the costs through the roof.

Turkish said: maxnyc said: Microsoft obsessively watches Sony who obsessively watches Nintendo. Yeah, that sounds about right. Sony watches Nintendo? Thank god thats not true.

sure they do. they all watch each other. they are in the same industry, which company doesn't look what the others do? even apple looks at the competition.

Ive always hated this guy...hes so pretentious

richardhutnik said: Jay520 said: I disagree with him about innovation. Before we start innovating into new heights, we have to first master & deepen current experience. This is not the case today. Most game's have a lot of features, gimmicks, & other cool stuff but the core gameplay is incredibly shallow. We need to first deepen the core gameplay & not focus on making them cool. There are some games out there today that follow this pattern. But the majority are just dumbed down experiences with a coat of polish & flair. /rant The interface for videogame consoles today is NOT sufficient to fully do what gamers need.  There is a reason, for example, you don't really get RTS titles on consoles.  The current dual-stick analog console controlers just aren't suited for everything.  Motion control does add more, but it isn't there.  Innovation has to take place in interface area of gamers.  Also, costs need to be kept down, so new play experiences can be added.  Costs are so high, that the industry plays it safe on the top end.  It is why you see a glut of FPS titles. Gameplay has been dumbed down, as the idea is to get people play through stories.  It all needs to be accessible, and easy.  Thing is that a game need not be that expensive to produce.  What ends up being an issue though is to add a ton of production value on top, and then drive the costs through the roof.

Don't blame stories for dumbed down gameplay. Stories has been in games for years. It's just lazy / stupid / scary / powerless developers who dumbs down gameplay. There are plenty of games without stories that have shallow gameplay. And there are plenty with stories, that have deep gameplay. There may be some correlation between stories and shallow gameplay, but don't make it seem like story causes shallow gameplay.

Anyway, about innovation and interface. It's pretty clear that Molyneux is referring to software, not hardware. This is made evident when he says PC has seen a recent surge in innovation. He doesn't mean hardware innovation; PC still uses the standard keyboard & mouse. He's talking about games.

Yes, current controllers restrict certain genres, but that doesn't explain why so many games in the action, fps, etc genre have shallow gameplay. These genres have proved to work well with duel-analog sticks in the past (and often, with stories).

I will listen to Molyneux when he starts delivering instead of just promissing and expecting.