Now now, that's just going way too much into detail, so you're saying that MS is currently sitting on about ~1M xbox's in their warehouses because they purposely overshipped just to appear better in their financial results? Don't you think that's a bit far fetched? After all this is a company that was not prepared to sacrifice profits for the last 3 years and didn't bother announcing an official price cut, if anyone Sony would be capable of doing something like that, with the numerous price cuts and increased marketing effort that has been happening the last few years, pushing much harder in an attempt to achieve higher shipments than the competition. It's a far fetched theory that unfortunately doesn't hold much weight as it would be out of character.

Amazon pricematched them I believe, in UK sainsbury's, tesco, morrison's etc often have sales on PS3 too, about £159 - like £30 or so under RRP.

I think it's a very logical solution to the question of "if 360 is undertracked, then where are the consoles".

MS said they would be #1 shipped. They came close. And now we think there are nearly 1.5m+ on shelves. But where are those consoles? Nobody is reporting overstock or having a price drop....that is, nobody is having a price drop except MS stores. Don't tell me you don't think that's strange. I mean, c'mon.

Sure maybe it isn't the solution, but it is a logical one. And for you to just dispute a theory without giving any real argument, especially not anything logical, well...that's just typical, isn't it.

It could be a combination of reasons. Like for instance, MS loses money by selling consoles to retailers instead of selling consoles themselves. I don't think they overstocked by 1M, but several hundred thousand is very reasonable, and perhaps this was planned all along, so they purposely over produced and overshipped this past quarter. Who knows the exact details? What we do know is the facts.

-fact1: MS shipped numbers are higher than any sales tracking firm, ANY
-fact2: Nobody knows where these consoles are
-fact3: No retailer has dropped price, which would indicate overstock
-fact4: MS is having a psuedo price drop
-fact5: It is "for a limited time"

In regards to Fact 1 NPD US have 360 higher then what vgc has it at. And in Nintendo's area break down (also by NPD) it had Europe higher then what vgc had it at. So thats one tracker :)

You also think that Monster Hunter will come to the Vita. You are completely detached from reality.

Note to myself: Get prof lynched as soon as possible. We need to get rid of our liabilities early.

show me? That is, show me somethign more substantial than 50-100k?

What a flamer.

Try using english so I can respond to your post next time. :D

1) I didn't say ps3 wasn't overtracked.  I asked if you were presenting a serious argument, because I thought you were kidding.  I stand corrected.
2) It's not a conspiracy theory, it's pretty blatant logic.
-fact1: MS shipped numbers are higher than any sales tracking firm, ANY MS shipped numbers are the only thing we know for sure.  Sales tracking firms are ESTIMATES.  Contending that actual known numbers (shipments) are wrong because they don't match someones estimates is foolish.
-fact2: Nobody knows where these consoles are  You mean, YOU don't know.  I have no question as to where MS consoles are, why would I?  Again, sales estimates ARE estimates, there is an understood error rate here.
-fact3: No retailer has dropped price, which would indicate overstock  Agreed, 360 is not overstocked. 
-fact4: MS is having a psuedo price drop  Yes, at Microsoft stores, they are offering a subsidized price.  You have insinuated that this means that MS overshipped to MS stores, JUST to beat Sony's shipping numbera and now are selling them cheap to dump them.  I think this might be the picture perfect definition of a conspiracy theory right here.
-fact5: It is "for a limited time" agreed

I'm not appearing to be saying anything. It is only by your own viewpoint that you abse such a decision.  Okay, let me be clearer, what you have said in this thread leads me to believe you have a pro-Sony agenda that colors your view of reality to such a point that it is skewed.  This would caution me that in the future when reading anything you post, I understand that any argument you present is not an argument towards the realization of truth, but to further your agenda.

We have a question of how much is ps3 overtracked. The answers thus far have been "it either is as stocked as 360", or "it is less stocked as 360, and 360 is undertracked", or "ps3 is fine", or "ps3 is overtracked somewhat".

My response answers all questions unilaterally. 360 is fine where it is, as indicated by the facts we have. You have no facts that state this, as evidenced above.  You make a poorly realized statement as the basis of your argument (sales estimates are more accurate than shipping numbers) than build on that as if it proves anything.  ps3 is overtracked, and likely by 500k given how much stock is typical at this time of year, and also possibly slowing down the production when they are currently losing money on it as written in the Sony FY release.  I have made no statement as to how much the PS3 is overtracked, only that I believe the shipping numbers presented prove that it is.

You don't want to speculate using logic, then that's fine. I'll give it a shot though.  I have used logic, and I think we can respond to each other without resorting to name calling.

I'm open to hearing any sound argument you may provide to prove your point, but I don't think you have shown any yet.

Well those who buy it will be pretty screwed when their next console comes out and they're still paying that monthly fee for a last-gen console. 

I think it's a very logical solution to the question of "if 360 is undertracked, then where are the consoles".

MS said they would be #1 shipped. They came close. And now we think there are nearly 1.5m+ on shelves. But where are those consoles? Nobody is reporting overstock or having a price drop....that is, nobody is having a price drop except MS stores. Don't tell me you don't think that's strange. I mean, c'mon.

Sure maybe it isn't the solution, but it is a logical one. And for you to just dispute a theory without giving any real argument, especially not anything logical, well...that's just typical, isn't it.

Please see my responses above.