Because the tracking services tell us how much each has sold?

What tracking services? Are you talking about Nintendos numbers? Didn't they say in their report that Sony shipped more then 2m for the past quarter and thats with only tracking a part of the market not all of it? If thats the case again like I said before who are you going to believe knows more about their own numbers Sony or Nintendo?

How ridiculous someone here said $99 Xbox with subscription fee is MS trying to sell their over-stocked 360. The purpose of this is testing if this kind of business can be suitable for gaming industry and perhaps implent in the next gen (this is explained by the analysts.)

I really don't understand the posts from those anti-xbox fans.

I never said it wasn't overtracked. I'm debating by how much. The 360-guy concensus is that it should be what 360 numbers are, and I don't think that's the case at all.

Not sure is serious...

Without crazy conspiracy theories and heavily biased banter there's really only the one conclusion.  PS3 is overtracked here.

I'm not saying that their might not be more stock of the 360 lying around (there is no PROOF of that, but you appear to want to believe it is a large number), and I'm not saying that some retailers might not be experiencing stocking issues with the PS3 (again, no PROOF of that, just your speculation) but without those two unproven things being true and both being a very large number, the PS3 is overtracked.

Honestly, you must just be trying to push peoples buttons here - you dont honestly believe these things...do you??

I think it's a very logical solution to the question of "if 360 is undertracked, then where are the consoles".

MS said they would be #1 shipped. They came close. And now we think there are nearly 1.5m+ on shelves. But where are those consoles? Nobody is reporting overstock or having a price drop....that is, nobody is having a price drop except MS stores. Don't tell me you don't think that's strange. I mean, c'mon.

Sure maybe it isn't the solution, but it is a logical one. And for you to just dispute a theory without giving any real argument, especially not anything logical, well...that's just typical, isn't it.

Exactly!

They report sold numbers i.e sold to consumers right? But as I said they only cover around 90% of the market?

So if Sony SHIPPED 1.9m last quarter (since start of the year) and Nintendo said they SOLD over 2.27m (since the start of this year) then that means 370k were SOLD from the previous shipment for the PS3 this year. And if we then say that it is missing 10% tracked we can take a rough guess that it will be 10% of that 2.27m, so at bare minimum another 200k from the start of the year. 

So if we use Nintendo's SOLD numbers they would have it at 2.47m sold from the start of the year. While PS3 shipped 1.9m for all terotories from the start of the year. Which if anything shows that there is no supply problems at all seeing as based on Nintendo's figures nearly 20% of the christmas holiday shipment was sold this year....

What a flamer.

Try using english so I can respond to your post next time. :D

1) I didn't say ps3 wasn't overtracked.
2) It's not a conspiracy theory, it's pretty blatant logic.
-fact1: MS shipped numbers are higher than any sales tracking firm, ANY
-fact2: Nobody knows where these consoles are
-fact3: No retailer has dropped price, which would indicate overstock
-fact4: MS is having a psuedo price drop
-fact5: It is "for a limited time"

I'm not appearing to be saying anything. It is only by your own viewpoint that you abse such a decision.

We have a question of how much is ps3 overtracked. The answers thus far have been "it either is as stocked as 360", or "it is less stocked as 360, and 360 is undertracked", or "ps3 is fine", or "ps3 is overtracked somewhat".

My response answers all questions unilaterally. 360 is fine where it is, as indicated by the facts we have. ps3 is overtracked, and likely by 500k given how much stock is typical at this time of year, and also possibly slowing down the production when they are currently losing money on it as written in the Sony FY release.

You don't want to speculate using logic, then that's fine. I'll give it a shot though.

Now now, that's just going way too much into detail, so you're saying that MS is currently sitting on about ~1M xbox's in their warehouses because they purposely overshipped just to appear better in their financial results? Don't you think that's a bit far fetched? After all this is a company that was not prepared to sacrifice profits for the last 3 years and didn't bother announcing an official price cut, if anyone Sony would be capable of doing something like that, with the numerous price cuts and increased marketing effort that has been happening the last few years, pushing much harder in an attempt to achieve higher shipments than the competition. It's a far fetched theory that unfortunately doesn't hold much weight as it would be out of character.

Amazon pricematched them I believe, in UK sainsbury's, tesco, morrison's etc often have sales on PS3 too, about £159 - like £30 or so under RRP.

Why, yes I did predict 0 consoles shipped for MS last quarter. Oh wait...

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