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Not a good year for Nintendo, but I think they know what needs to be done to turn things around. First loss in 30yrs says they "were" doing something right. Sony has been taking a loss for years now. The company has been more focused on the future of the company rather than looking at short fixes to save the fiscal year. They have plenty of money in the bank and as long as the next year goes as planned they will be OK.



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NintendoPie said:
Viper1 said:
NintendoPie said:
Didn't they lose money last year, too?

Besides, I thought the 3DS sold a lot more than that. (17 Million?!)

Not for the full fiscal year and the 17 million is lifetime.  The 13.5 million figure shown here is fiscal year.

Which Fiscal Year? I'm kind of lost on these terms.

A fiscal year is a scheduled yearly cycle for companies.   Many used the April 1-March 31st fiscal year.   The figures you are reading from Nintendo current fiscal year.   Because a fiscal year can cover periods from 2 seperate calendar years (April 1 to Dec 31st of 2011 is last calendar year while Jan 1 to March 31st of 2012 is this calendar year) it can sound confusing when they report a Q1 (1st quarter of the fiscal year being April 1 - June 30) loss or profit and then have their end of (fiscal) year report for all 4 quarters.

And given that the 3DS launched prior to the start of the fiscal year they just reported on (Japan launched in Feb with the rest of the world launching near the end of March), that is how you get 2 seperate figures.   17 million for lifetime and 13.5 million for the fiscal year.



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RolStoppable said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:

Nintendo confirms that it's selling 3DS at a loss, expects that to change


Ever since Nintendo slashed the price of the 3DS, there's been plenty of speculation that the gaming giant has been selling the portable console at a loss. The company acknowledged that fact during its disappointing earnings report, stating, "its hardware has been sold below cost because of its significant price cut in the fiscal year ended March 31, 2012," something that's uncharacteristic of the company's past operations. But as with its fairly unfortunate financials, the company plans to turn things around, adding, "Nintendo expects to cease selling it below cost by the middle of the fiscal year ending March 31, 2013."

 

 

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/26/nintendo-confirms-that-its-selling-3ds-at-a-loss-expects-that/

Just how dumb are journalists? When Iwata announced the 3DS price cut he also said that it will mean that Nintendo will be selling it at a loss. That's clear as day, yet this journalist talks about speculation.

That's what i'm wondering. We've known this thing for a long time.

As for this whole matter, the issue is simply one of internal developer capacity for Nintendo. The example of the Wii should teach them that while they need to reach out to third parties better (which the Wii U and, as far as Japan goes, 3DS seem to be doing), they should also be able to shoulder the burden of console sales entirely endogenously, and for that they need expansions of their first party capacity, which is where you really see lagging Wii sales come in, since 3rd parties never cared and Nintendo's first parties are (rightfully) looking towards the future. The issue is they need groups that can not only build strong next-gen lineups, but keep the current gen alive too. I feel that Nintendo is working to correct the problems that made this year as bad as it was (with New Super Mario Bros 2 scheduled to land right around when the 3DS starts to break even, as well as the Brain Training game in Japan), rumors of 2D Mario for launch with Wii U, and more cooperation on Nintendo's part with 2nd-party development to increase their catalogue.

The rest of it comes down to currency vulnerability, and there's precious little Nintendo can do about that. The Japanese government should be helping there, with their commitment to 1% inflation targets to weaken the Yen and the (admittedly tenuous) economic recovery in America, plus signaling from the Fed that interest rates are going to increase. Europe seems to be shot, however, but seeing from these reports how weak Nintendo's performance in Europe is anyway, it would be less of an issue.



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Who cares? They sold 20 million gamecubes, 100 million wii's sounds pretty nice to me in comparison. The Wii is running out of steam, but it still dwarfs any other console they have ever sold. They could have lost 10 billion dollars and still be better then they were before the Wii.



I wonder if they will sell the wii u at a loss or if they can afford to.



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Viper1 said:

A fiscal year is a scheduled yearly cycle for companies.   Many used the April 1-March 31st fiscal year.   The figures you are reading from Nintendo current fiscal year.   Because a fiscal year can cover periods from 2 seperate calendar years (April 1 to Dec 31st of 2011 is last calendar year while Jan 1 to March 31st of 2012 is this calendar year) it can sound confusing when they report a Q1 (1st quarter of the fiscal year being April 1 - June 30) loss or profit and then have their end of (fiscal) year report for all 4 quarters.

And given that the 3DS launched prior to the start of the fiscal year they just reported on (Japan launched in Feb with the rest of the world launching near the end of March), that is how you get 2 seperate figures.   17 million for lifetime and 13.5 million for the fiscal year.

I'm surprised they predicted that much then! That is a lot of sales in little time.



Bummer, this is indeed a potentially good year for Nintendo, I really hope things turn out well for them.



This is much worse than I first thought it was.
From
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120426e.pdf
Cash as of 31st of March 2011 = $10 billion
Cash as of 31st of March 2012 = $5.6 billion
nearly 50% of Nintendo's cash reserves gone in 1 YEAR.



kumagawa said:
This is much worse than I first thought it was.
From
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120426e.pdf
Cash as of 31st of March 2011 = $10 billion
Cash as of 31st of March 2012 = $5.6 billion
nearly 50% of Nintendo's cash reserves gone in 1 YEAR.





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pezus said:
kumagawa said:
This is much worse than I first thought it was.
From
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120426e.pdf
Cash as of 31st of March 2011 = $10 billion
Cash as of 31st of March 2012 = $5.6 billion
nearly 50% of Nintendo's cash reserves gone in 1 YEAR.

Who cares, right? Where did you see the cash numbers?


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