To me, as a mere wannabe amateur, it doesn't make sense to invest so heavily in a product and not getting my money back... It's even worse if I only kept losing it! At some time you just gotta withdraw and say "enough is enough"... How come they're still in the game? Well, I understand why they will be around for another generation - but if that one goes bad... Why hang in there?

this can only mean one thing for Ninty, no core gamers support (once more) and therefore no 3rd party support (once more)

u fail me Ninty

To be fair, the original DS was next gen compared to the GBA. It's just that up until that point, handhelds were way behind with hardware because they lasted much longer than consoles.

I'd like to hear what a developer who's working on an exclusive Wii U game has to say. Ports from last gen consoles aren't going to look that much better. Look at the Xbox 30's launch lineup. It will be disappointing if Wii U turns out to be just as powerful as a 360 or PS3. It'll be okay for a year or so, but after that, it won't get a lot of the next gen ports, just like what happened with Wii.

The fact that you have added 15 Wii games and only two PS3 games makes me seriously wonder how the fuck you are reasoning. And on top of that, the PS3 is the only non-Nintendo console you've added.

I'm having trouble accepting anything that says "on par with 360 and PS3" when we've had five years of squabbling focused on deciding whether or not the 360 and PS3 are actually on par with each other...

If the power is the same, how you would "uprez"ing be possible. The quote has internal inconsitencies.

Also, how powerful will games have to be next time around? If you build too much' you can overshoot the market and the pricepoint. Still about one home in three does not have an HD Tv in the US and it has the highest penetration rate in the world. So going to 2048p that no one can see buys you nothing.

From what I understand, many current games struggle with HD and fall into the 560p range, just above SD. Meanwhile, the WiiU supposedly does 1080p or 720p on screen and 480p on controller. If it holds 60fps and uses industry standard elements, it should be fine.

If not, maybe Nintendo will be bold and start buying all the third party studios. 8*>

Mike from Morgantown

I'm with Machina on this one... but only time will tell.

This is honestly the craziest time when it comes to information for an upcoming console. We're close enough to E3 (72 days! Woo!) where Nintendo is going to be as tight-lipped about anything Wii U related as they can (and I'm sure they want 3rd parties to remain tight lipped as well), but we're also close enough to E3 where we'll start seeing "leaks" and "rumors" coming out the wazoo (it's already happening with that crazy Wii U eShop rumor).

It's honestly the worst time to be a forum goer... time to freeze myself for a couple months!

I think you are spot on here.

Nintendo did well off controller-gimmickry and selling games to women and kids, mainly on novelty factor.

The loyal Nintendo fan base in their late 20s-early 30s (myself included) who've supported them since NES days get left with a few fantastic titles (SMG1&2, TP, MH3), a load of Minnie Mouse goes to the Shops-type tripe and a couple of JRPG type things right at the end of it's life. Nintendo has rewarded our loyalty with neglect. Next to no third party support, tiny selection of games, control system that's great for a few games, but not others.

Crap online features, you can't talk on a headset when playing mazza kart (why the f*** not if the people are on your friend list? How great would that have been??), the little speaker you put on top of your telly for MH3 makes everything said sound incomprehensible. Expensive prices in the wii shop (WHY!!!?? N should have lead the way with the retro stuff). the wii even starts killing it's own graphics chip if you leave Wii connect24 on - which they encourage you to do - bastards!

Ultimately, I hope that history does not repeat itself, 'cos the same gimmickry will not work twice. I have greatly enjoyed some Wii games BUT also saw a lot of painfully obvious problems with it.

I understand that it's a tougher market now, with three competing rather than two. In order to achieve success Nintendo should look backwards at what they got right with the SNES - it had a perfect balance of family and core-gamer support. It also had the nicest graphics of it's generation and a MASSIVE number of games to appeal to all tastes. It created the controller format that all consoles have more-or less followed since, a controller system which worked as well for platformers as it did for shooters and 2d fighters.

One part of winning is sales - another part of winning is the artistic integrity of your games and support for your customers - grrrr don't get me started on those star points.

In conclusion, this is what I'd like to say to Nintendo:

Dearest Nintendo,

You affirmed your position in the market with wii gimmickry, I understand it was a difficult time for you and it was the only way to sell lots of units with limited power while staying in the game. Very shrewd indeed Sirs.

Regarding the Wii U, please recognise you have an army of core gamers out there, do not let us down with an underpowered machine again.

That is all,

Cheers.

Yes, the WiiU was designed to be easy to port, but we are talking about a game that while not being a graphical behemoth, it fully uses the hardware of the PS360. It's not that easy to pick that code, port it without optimisation to a new hardware and have it working in a matter of a few weeks.

The other option is that they have used the code of the PC version to make a quick port, but if we look at the recomended requirements of Darksiders 1 (they will probably use the same engine so the requirements will be fairly similar) you needed a GTS 240 / HD 3870 with 256 MB and 2GB of RAM, and those specs are fairly superior than the ones on the PS360. Btw, the minimal requirements ask for a Geforce 8800 or an X1900, both also better than the ones on the HD twins.

So, if WiiU's hardware is on par with the others, how have they done it?

And this is what they said in August:

http://www.videogamer.com/wiiu/darksiders_2/news/darksiders_dev_praises_power_of_wii_u.html 

"Asked if Darksiders II will be best on Wii U, Adams said: "Yeah, just because the hardware is more powerful and it will have some extra features that I think will actually be useful to people playing the game. With it's controller, [the Wii U version of Darksiders II] might be the best version of the game."

On another note, imo going the "Sony route" is dumb. They were lucky with the PS2, but this time it has been more a problem than an asset.

I probably should have been more specific.  I meant 1.5x in real world execution, not numbers on paper.  Nothing Nintendo has said or shown has given me the impression they aiming to, or will succeed, in making the Wii U push out graphics that are 3x or 4x better than the PS3's.  Like I said, texture quality and poly count will probably remain similar to the better looking PS3 games, while it will have greatly improved shadowing and anti-aliasing.  If the Zelda tech demo is anything to go on, this seems to be the case.