By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - Do you consider him a terrorist?

Kasz216 said:
HesAPooka said:

I think this happened for any number of reasons. I read that it was a single soldier who did the shooting, but I also read that it was a few soldier who actually went into the village (but only one did the shooting). Could be they got drunk and decided to have some personal revenge. Could be that the stress of war got to him, or could be that a group of people planned an attack. The soldier went into three different houses and shot people. Takes time for someone to shoot at three different houses so clearly he could have been stopped sooner if there were people with him, and considering it happened at 2am I doubt he was off by himself.

All I know is no matter what the truth is. It will come out that it was on soldier who acted alone who had mental problems.

Oh, and I'm from Canada, and do think there is an element of terrorism involved since if he just went crazy he could have easily shot his own countymen.

I'm guessing you don't know how mental illness works... espiecally PTSD.

To use antoher example, not PTSD related... someone once shot a US President because he thought it would cause a movie star to fall in love with him.

Was this guy a terrorist?


No.  He was just insane.  Even if there were tons of other people he could of shot before Reagan.


I'm guessing no one in this thread was there that night or in that persons head, and we will never know what really happend because the military will just say he was insane or suffereing from some mental illness whether he was or wasn't. But hey, they aren't always the most honest people are they? Pat Tillman anyone? 



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

Around the Network
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
yes he is. why? because it's my opinion. i'm sure after a while the enemy looks the same as the civilians, so you get to the point where you're not sure who the enemy is, but mental illness is no excuse for murder. if it was just mental illness, he would have stopped at one house.

Again... i'm guessing you have no actual expeirence or schooling in mental illnesses.

no but my grandfather who does agrees with me. srry.

In that case.... he should go back to school... because he wasn't paying much attention.

Cause you know... there are tons of examples on record or people with mental illnesses killing multiple people in multiple locations in a short period of time.

In fact....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer#List_of_spree_killings

Dude you're quoting fucking wikipedia for medical iillness/medical info related matters.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

For fear? Yes. Just to kill? No, Serial Killer. Also if it is true he has mental problems then probably neither. He shouldn't be in the army if that's the case though.



Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
yes he is. why? because it's my opinion. i'm sure after a while the enemy looks the same as the civilians, so you get to the point where you're not sure who the enemy is, but mental illness is no excuse for murder. if it was just mental illness, he would have stopped at one house.

Again... i'm guessing you have no actual expeirence or schooling in mental illnesses.

no but my grandfather who does agrees with me. srry.

In that case.... he should go back to school... because he wasn't paying much attention.

Cause you know... there are tons of examples on record or people with mental illnesses killing multiple people in multiple locations in a short period of time.

In fact....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer#List_of_spree_killings

hmmmmmmmmmm. it's opinion plan and simple. my grandfather is retired from working with crazy people, and the military so i'm sure he's more qualified then you.

noobie did not ask for an educated guess so back off. i'm not much for debates or discussion these days so this conversation was pointless on your part but thanks for your logical opinion i guess.

i got loads of respect aand have agreed with you in the past, but this isn't a conversation you can win, cause there isn't one to be had.



HesAPooka said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
yes he is. why? because it's my opinion. i'm sure after a while the enemy looks the same as the civilians, so you get to the point where you're not sure who the enemy is, but mental illness is no excuse for murder. if it was just mental illness, he would have stopped at one house.

Again... i'm guessing you have no actual expeirence or schooling in mental illnesses.

no but my grandfather who does agrees with me. srry.

In that case.... he should go back to school... because he wasn't paying much attention.

Cause you know... there are tons of examples on record or people with mental illnesses killing multiple people in multiple locations in a short period of time.

In fact....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer#List_of_spree_killings

Dude you're quoting fucking wikipedia for medical information related things.

If you'd bother to look, you'd note that they are documenting specific cases of spree murders where people were committed.

Not the kind of thing that's unerliable. 



Around the Network
greenmedic88 said:
Assuming the police action in Afghanistan still qualifies as a theater of war, then he's a war criminal.

Without knowing anything about his mental state leading up to the killing spree, I can't really make any sort of valid judgement, but offhand it sounds like he completely lost his mind. Legally insane or no, I think he should still be held accountable for his actions given the amount of irreparable damage he's done to the mission and it should take some pretty extenuating circumstances to keep him from facing a firing squad.

Sad thing is, no matter what happens, whether there's a conviction and it was determined he operated completely alone and no matter how many hundreds of millions of dollars are given to the Afghan community as compensation, the mission to "win hearts and minds" is done. Over. There is no way to fix this.

As if that mission would ever succeed in the first place. 



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
yes he is. why? because it's my opinion. i'm sure after a while the enemy looks the same as the civilians, so you get to the point where you're not sure who the enemy is, but mental illness is no excuse for murder. if it was just mental illness, he would have stopped at one house.

Again... i'm guessing you have no actual expeirence or schooling in mental illnesses.

no but my grandfather who does agrees with me. srry.

In that case.... he should go back to school... because he wasn't paying much attention.

Cause you know... there are tons of examples on record or people with mental illnesses killing multiple people in multiple locations in a short period of time.

In fact....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer#List_of_spree_killings

hmmmmmmmmmm. it's opinion plan and simple. my grandfather is retired from working with crazy people, and the military so i'm sure he's more qualified then you.

noobie did not ask for an educated guess so back off. i'm not much for debates or discussion these days so this conversation was pointless on your part but thanks for your logical opinion i guess.

i got loads of respect aand have agreed with you in the past, but this isn't a conversation you can win, cause there isn't one to be had.

If that's really your grandfather's opinion then it's a good thing he is retiring.  I'm guessing you've just completely misunderstood what he's said though.

There is specific evidence to the contrary of such opinion, that has been presented.  I would ask him, "If the mentally ill aren't spree killers, why are most spree killers who don't comit suicide committed in mental institutions."

Your defense now seems to boil down to "Well he didn't ask for an informed opinion."

Which is like saying if someone asks you "Is the world round" and you say "No the world is flat" then there is no way to prove you wrong, because well... they didn't ask you "give a correct opinion of if the world is round or not."

 

I mean... specific demonstratable facts.  You are right in that there isn't a conversation to be had, but that's only because I am demonstratably correct.  People with mental illnesses do go on spree killings, therefore that it was a spree killing does not rule out mental illness.  It's simple fact.



Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
yes he is. why? because it's my opinion. i'm sure after a while the enemy looks the same as the civilians, so you get to the point where you're not sure who the enemy is, but mental illness is no excuse for murder. if it was just mental illness, he would have stopped at one house.

Again... i'm guessing you have no actual expeirence or schooling in mental illnesses.

no but my grandfather who does agrees with me. srry.

In that case.... he should go back to school... because he wasn't paying much attention.

Cause you know... there are tons of examples on record or people with mental illnesses killing multiple people in multiple locations in a short period of time.

In fact....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer#List_of_spree_killings

hmmmmmmmmmm. it's opinion plan and simple. my grandfather is retired from working with crazy people, and the military so i'm sure he's more qualified then you.

noobie did not ask for an educated guess so back off. i'm not much for debates or discussion these days so this conversation was pointless on your part but thanks for your logical opinion i guess.

i got loads of respect aand have agreed with you in the past, but this isn't a conversation you can win, cause there isn't one to be had.

If that's really your grandfather's opinion then it's a good thing he is retiring.   There is specific evidence to the contrary of such opinion, that has been presented.

Your defense now seems to boil down to "Well he didn't ask for an informed opinion."

Which is like saying if someone asks you "Is the world round" and you say "No the world is flat" then there is no way to prove you wrong, because well... they didn't ask you "give a correct opinion of if the world is round or not."

Get over it. You don't know what really happend, and neither do I, or anyone here. We can come to our own opinions, but you seems to be arguing this subject like you have all the facts and it's a matter of fact what you're saying. If you want to contend that he was mentally ill thats fine, but don't word it like its matter of fact based on the the fact that you suplied a wiki link. 

Edit: I wanna add to this that of course no one wants to believe that this guy got drunk and decided to get some revenge for his country, but it is a possibility.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

HesAPooka said:
Kasz216 said:
HesAPooka said:

I think this happened for any number of reasons. I read that it was a single soldier who did the shooting, but I also read that it was a few soldier who actually went into the village (but only one did the shooting). Could be they got drunk and decided to have some personal revenge. Could be that the stress of war got to him, or could be that a group of people planned an attack. The soldier went into three different houses and shot people. Takes time for someone to shoot at three different houses so clearly he could have been stopped sooner if there were people with him, and considering it happened at 2am I doubt he was off by himself.

All I know is no matter what the truth is. It will come out that it was on soldier who acted alone who had mental problems.

Oh, and I'm from Canada, and do think there is an element of terrorism involved since if he just went crazy he could have easily shot his own countymen.

I'm guessing you don't know how mental illness works... espiecally PTSD.

To use antoher example, not PTSD related... someone once shot a US President because he thought it would cause a movie star to fall in love with him.

Was this guy a terrorist?


No.  He was just insane.  Even if there were tons of other people he could of shot before Reagan.


I'm guessing no one in this thread was there that night or in that persons head, and we will never know what really happend because the military will just say he was insane or suffereing from some mental illness whether he was or wasn't. But hey, they aren't always the most honest people are they? Pat Tillman anyone? 


If you'll note, I bolded a specific sentence in your post to which I replied to.

Which was " Oh, and I'm from Canada, and do think there is an element of terrorism involved since if he just went crazy he could have easily shot his own countymen."

This is a dumb argeument because in general, mentally ill spree killers ofton forgo killing tons of people before they actually start killing.

Usually starting with those who they feel activly wrongted them, and only after that turning on others, and often times themselves.  He would, if mentally ill, likely start with the citizens of Aghanistan because he would see them as the source of his breakdown. (do to specific terrorists.)

Whether or not the military is telling the truth, it is completely cosnistant that a soldier who had a mental breakdown from being in multiple active combat zones, would go insane and start a spree killing in a villiage moving from house to house.

To say otherwise shows an lack of knowledge about mental illness.


In fact, to say otherwise is to ignore why cases where entire villiages including children and women being killed could often be written off as mental illness from combat stress.

 

That said, there is no political reason for such a thing to done, and if anything it works GREATLY against the US currently.



Certainly not. America grows terrorists (in greater numbers than the odd Muslim who tries to hook up with Al Qaeda), but they aren't the type of people to join the army or associate with the Federal Government at all. Their incidents usually aren't that high-profile, either, but they're out there, just not in the army.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.