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trasharmdsister12 said:

It seems a few people have decided to stop reading (or understanding) at the title. The sensor is 41 MP but the end result image is only 5 MP. Nokia's "PureView" tech is a bunch of algorithms which take the 41 MP image and use supersampling techniques to essentially take 8 pixels worth of data to make 1 final image pixel. So no, you can't use all 41 MP of resolution to spy on your neighbour's nipple hair(s). The enlarged sensor size also helps each pixel diode pick up more light which removes noise from light diffraction and allows each sensor to capture/absorb a decent amount of photons to make for decent low-light imaging. 

The specific algorithms may be different but what they're doing with all the data is the same thing that happens when you're watching a video on your computer and you resize the video player to make it smaller. The window is no longer large enough to display every pixel of video data in the file so the pixel data is being sampled to create a smaller image. This process seems to make the image seem sharper and (sometimes) make colors appear more vibrant. Same goes for pictures. If you have any digital pictures on your computer taken with a camera with more than 3 MP, you can try this. Shrink the window down in size and the picture will appear to get sharper. Finally to keep things gaming oriented, it's what is known as SuperSampling AA. 

I think it's a pretty neat solution. We're beginning to see a lot slower progression in some hardware fields in terms of raw capturing or processing capability and the industry continues to improve simply through ingenuity and creative ideas.

For more technical info check out Ars Technica's article on it.


I read the full thing and many other articles covering this phone camera.

It takes 5, 8, 35 and 38 megapixel images.

The quality of the 5 and 8 mp images tht the camera makes is amazing due to pixel oversampling and the main reason why people should be excited about the technology.

However you can take a 38MP shot if you feel like making posters... :)



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trasharmdsister12 said:
disolitude said:

I read the full thing and many other articles covering this phone camera.

It takes 5, 8, 35 and 38 megapixel images.

The quality of the 5 and 8 mp images tht the camera makes is amazing due to pixel oversampling and the main reason why people should be excited about the technology.

However you can take a 38MP shot if you feel like making posters... :)

Seems I missed a few paragraphs in my first read through. Nipple-hair voyeurs rejoice! Also I wasn't (and won't ever be) questioning your knowledge of imaging and displays. I know a thing or two but I'd hate to be on the opposite end of a discussion with you. I try to maintain my frail dignity as it is.

I agree. It's great to see these elegant and creative solutions rather than people simply brute forcing things like they've done in the past.

Aww man...have I really become the ogre no one wants to talk to around here? :)

Regarding camera phones, I agree with most people that megapixels are meaningless.

HTC has that 16 Megapixel HTC Titan II coming out which they were flashing at CES 2012. However I will bet any money that all they did is taken two 8 megapixel sensors and lined them up one after the other. That may give them slightly more image data but the gain over an 8 MP sensor will be completely lost to a naked eye.

This nokia technology however is the real deal. Now only if they can put it on a phone that people actually want to buy.



disolitude said:
trasharmdsister12 said:
disolitude said:

I read the full thing and many other articles covering this phone camera.

It takes 5, 8, 35 and 38 megapixel images.

The quality of the 5 and 8 mp images tht the camera makes is amazing due to pixel oversampling and the main reason why people should be excited about the technology.

However you can take a 38MP shot if you feel like making posters... :)

Seems I missed a few paragraphs in my first read through. Nipple-hair voyeurs rejoice! Also I wasn't (and won't ever be) questioning your knowledge of imaging and displays. I know a thing or two but I'd hate to be on the opposite end of a discussion with you. I try to maintain my frail dignity as it is.

I agree. It's great to see these elegant and creative solutions rather than people simply brute forcing things like they've done in the past.

Aww man...have I really become the ogre no one wants to talk to around here? :)

Regarding camera phones, I agree with most people that megapixels are meaningless.

HTC has that 16 Megapixel HTC Titan II coming out which they were flashing at CES 2012. However I will bet any money that all they did is taken two 8 megapixel sensors and lined them up one after the other. That may give them slightly more image data but the gain over an 8 MP sensor will be completely lost to a naked eye.

This nokia technology however is the real deal. Now only if they can put it on a phone that people actually want to buy.

That's so funny because I'm always waiting to see what you have to say about this kind of thing. I ususally secretly hope that people try to debate you so I can be entertained by the insuing beatdown you quite often administer. That being said, I truley appreciate your insight.



I LOVE paying for Xbox Live! I also love that my love for it pisses off so many people.

I was hugely impressed when I saw and used Lumia 900 16 mp camera which releases in UK soon. That alone blew away Iphone 4s camera.

Nokia said this tech is coming with WP. Hopefully its there end of year when I get free upgrade. Can wait to get a top of the range Nokia WP.



selnor said:
I was hugely impressed when I saw and used Lumia 900 16 mp camera which releases in UK soon. That alone blew away Iphone 4s camera.

Nokia said this tech is coming with WP. Hopefully its there end of year when I get free upgrade. Can wait to get a top of the range Nokia WP.

Lumia 900 has a 8 megapixel camera and even if it was 16 MP, it would not automatically 'blow away' the Iphone 4s's camera. It may be a 'little better' when its all said and done...

I personally can't wait to have a 4.3 inch or bigger windows phone that can be developer unlocked easily and has an SD card slot. I currently have a Samsung focus (dev unlock and SD card present, but 4 inch only) and HTC Titan which I just picked up (4.7 inch screen but no SD card and no dev unlock).

With Windows phone 8 supporting SD cards officially it looks like this is when I am going to find my perfect phone finally. If this phone happens to have a 41 megapixel camera and is made by Nokia, I won't be too upset. :)



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disolitude said:
selnor said:
I was hugely impressed when I saw and used Lumia 900 16 mp camera which releases in UK soon. That alone blew away Iphone 4s camera.

Nokia said this tech is coming with WP. Hopefully its there end of year when I get free upgrade. Can wait to get a top of the range Nokia WP.

Lumia 900 has a 8 megapixel camera and even if it was 16 MP, it would not automatically 'blow away' the Iphone 4s's camera. It may be a 'little better' when its all said and done...

I personally can't wait to have a 4.3 inch or bigger windows phone that can be developer unlocked easily and has an SD card slot. I currently have a Samsung focus (dev unlock and SD card present, but 4 inch only) and HTC Titan which I just picked up (4.7 inch screen but no SD card and no dev unlock).

With Windows phone 8 supporting SD cards officially it looks like this is when I am going to find my perfect phone finally. If this phone happens to have a 41 megapixel camera and is made by Nokia, I won't be too upset. :)

LOL yes your right. I was just reading an artile about Titan 2 when I was poting. Which is 16mp.

However in May fo EU Lumia 910 releases with 12mp camera. Nokias camera quality is justt phenomenal on their phones. The Lumia 900  I used was such a good picture.



How big a file size on a 41MP image?



Nice to know their top tech will always be available also WITHOUT ballast.



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that's too many megapixes. unless your screen is at least 100 feet across, you won't need that many megapixels.



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