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NoCtiS_NoX said:

Aside from you. Baalz is Rad's other suspicion. You voted for Baalz and then you qouted him saying stuff like. I don't want to lynch bec. of your stubborness. It feels to me you are asking him to unvote and vote for baalz instead. Seeing you have a vote for baalz.

I called radish out for having a bad vote on me. There was no way to argue against stubbornness. And I was glad that a majority(5 votes at that time) was required, because if any other votes were going to come my way, the voters would at least have to try to make a case.

How does trying to convince a person that is suspicious of me to vote with me instead make any sense? Even if that was possible, given TOS's post, two people does not a lynch make.



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NoCtiS_NoX said:
Linkzmax said:

I don't think I've ever laughed so hard catching up in a thread. Thank you

I love your numbers! If you're town then from your perspectice, radish is town and that means either Wonk is scum with 1 of the three of us, or 2 of the three of us are scum. AMAZING deduction.

1. Stefl claimed he was blocked and you thought he was rolefishing? Only a roleblocker/jailkeeper would know if they targeted Stefl, so why would scum Stefl announce to a town RB/JK that they chose well?

2. I didn't like prof in most of that discussion. He seemed opportunistic when you asked about Stefl's first post of the day, and he's obviously trying to figure out roles. Guess what though, the same can be said about you asking Stefl in the first place. Or does this not qualify as rolefishing?

What is the "this" that you think mafia were hesitant to address? If you're refering to the original post by Stefl, then I'm never one to talk about power slips/hints until it's an open topic. It's the kind of information that I think only benefits scum. Do you wish hat was here so that you wouldn't have had to be the one to ask about the post?

3. Prof:

That isn't rolefishing. The second link is the same as the first... What is your point with the third link? Stefl hinted at power with his first post, so if prof is scum that was all he needed in regards to Stefl.

That isn't rolefishing at all. And it'd be a insanely stupid hint at a scummate that a town RB/JK exists. Scum would know Stefl is town and if they didn't block Stefl, which means they already know if a town RB/JK exists.

Your last link leads me nowhere, because my pages don't have the same number of posts as yours.

4. FF:

I think FF's latest response sums it up best. In the end, Stefl's case was that he was blocked and it's a null tell as to my alignment... What defense is needed? Again you have a link that leads me nowhere due to settings.

5. Me:

Okay, in the first link I made a mistake on one line. It should be "I liked the post too, to use your words it's a bit crazy and made me think not scum, which is why I haven't been after you." The original line made no sense or clearly I should have pressed Stefl more. 

The line of questioning isn't an attack on Stefl though. It's clearly trying to understand Stefl's thought process as well as explain my own, and by the end of it he's not my top suspect anymore. You expect me(or others for that matter) to vote to lynch claimed power BECAUSE it would be a waste. What the hell!?

 

1.  Yes, because I thought Stefl and Prof are scum buddies. I think Prof is rolefishing when he qouted me. "why did you vist stefl" by prof. I assumed that both of these guys are rolefishing and making a fake convo. Not only that Stefl's convo with spurgehttp://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4441118http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4441173. I felt spurge kinda slip without realizing it. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4441200

Followed up by stefl, http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4441227. Spurge is a Town-mason.

There also this instance that Stefl had a convo with Rad. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4453222. This was the whole reason I think Stefl is rolefishing.

but stefl flipping town makes my theory null  about prof&stefl being scum buddies.

Although I still feel Prof was rolefishing when he qouted me. That's why one of my earlier post on day 3. I posted that I have a mix feeling with Prof.

As for 2nd sentence/question.

Obviously he doesn't know who blocked him but he knows he was blocked. He was the paranoid cop afterall.

2. See no. 1. I know that risk very well so if somebody accuse me of rolefishing I am already prepared to post what I posted in no. 1 on my thoughts on stefl becasue at that time I really think he was role fishing. The thoughts running from my mind at that moment was Stefl gets away with rolefishing with spurge that flipped town mason and I think he is doing it again with that random post.

3. First off I fixed the links already so sorry for the little confusion.

Just like in I said in number 1. I feel the prof was rolefishing when he qouted me. He also wants to know who is the other mason

And when Prof is posting something like this. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4469665. I really can't shake off the feeling he is rolefishing. I also don't need you or someone aside from prof explaining things on why he is doing it. You'll just comes off the person defending him and makes you look even more suspicious.

4. I already fixed it.

5. As for last sentences. I think the last sentence was a mess and I didn't explain it clearly. If you are a townie,  the way you are responding to stefl IMO. You are ready to vote for him but you didn't and opted for baalz so if you are a scum or other scum voting for stefl is a waste and if the scum is still looking for a power role it's best to divert attention to the other townie. Just my 2 cents.

Anyway, the purpose of it was to see how you guys will react and so far with how you respond I think I got what I want. With my experience playing with you especially in the practice round before you become very hostile towards me when I getting close in figuring you out. Every chance you get you are turning me down with attacks and making me look bad. 

HoS Linkz

First, please address the bold, italicized, and underlined question.

1. This stuff about Stefl would all be relevant if you had mentioned anything day 2, or when I had originally made the point about rolefishing.

That is the only post of prof's of all the ones you claim to be rolefishing that I would agree with.(Some others are blatant nudges for claims, which as I said I didn't like, but it's different from rolefishing) However, it doesn't make sense to think that Stefl and prof are scummates in this case. They would have to KNOW you visited Stefl, which means one should have to be a Mafia Tracker, which followed you to Stefl. If you're investigative they're going to hope you don't claim damning info on Stefl instead of pushing you to reveal it. If you don't spill anything they can assume you're protective or something else, and possibly try to get you lynched. Either way they would be happy to kill you at night.

My second question was directly related to the first. How did you think scum Stefl was rolefishing with his first post, which he later clarified meant he was roleblocked?

2. See no. 1 as well. You made none of these points yesterday, when it actually mattered. It's easy to say you were thinking just about anything then, but nothing backs it up.

3. I appreciate you fixing the links. It's actually a bit bothersome that nobody else pointed out any of the errors, am I the only one that cared to read your post?

I mentioned it in no. 1, but that is rolefishing to me. Only makes sense as that with Stefl being town and prof being scum though. Mafia would know if they targeted Stefl and could try to pin it on someone else, or if they weren't the ones to target him they could try to figure out who was and net two town powers in one fell swoop. But I don't think asking the other mason to claim means much. There are pros and cons to making the information known, and I think in the end it benefits Town to know more than scum.

Now that post is a solid point for you. And it's a direct contradiction to what prof asked Stefl after Stefl claimed he was roleblocked. I don't think I was defending, just defining things, pointing out broken links, and explaining why I thought your theory was very unlikely or in other words what I think prof wasn't doing. I didn't explain what I thought prof was doing, and I'd like to hear that too. What's nagging me most with prof is he's avoiding a lot of the stuff asked of him. It's not enough to push him higher than you or FF on my scumspect list, but he's not moving down towards Wonk's level either.

4. Again, thanks for the fix. But you didn't answer my question, "In the end, Stefl's case was that he was blocked and it's a null tell as to my alignment... What defense is needed?"

5. I'd like to try to follow your logic as to how you think I'm preparing to vote for Stefl. Please give the links again and explain what I am saying in each one, in your opinion. Your new explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Why would scum try to divert their votes away from the claimed power?

In the practice round you didn't have me "figured out" as in you realized I was a SK. I was hostile towards you because as third-party my only chance of winning was to have you mislynched and then hope the right actions occur to let me survive until the end. Here, even if I were mafia and you were town, I'd have 3(or 2 accounting for radish's "confirmedness") other people I could push to be mislynched. There's no need for hostility in that case. If I'm hostile it's because I most likely need two correct lynches out of two chances. So if you're town, I don't want to read a wall of text with little to no point or an illogical point. I'm pushing you to prove to me that you're actually town or to crack as scum.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Anyways, this post by FF is really intriguing. Hmmm...
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4440193
It looks he regrets claiming other.

Like this. What is the implication of the post to you? Why would he regret it?



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I'm about to go to sleep, but I just want to confirm that Linkz was shouting at me earlier because I made a bad vote on him- I just wanted things to happen, and I appreciate now that my decisions were wrong.



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Making things happen is fine. Leaving a vote when you no longer have a reason and you are "confirmed" isn't going to make things happen though. Glad you recognize that though, it is a sign that you're growing as a player.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Anyways, this post by FF is really intriguing. Hmmm...
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4440193
It looks he regrets claiming other.

Well, being the only "other" does draw a bit of attention, but I certainly wasn't going to lie, so I wouldn't say I ever regretted it.  And anyway, I only posted that because it was true. 

I've been sick for the last two or three days, nothing to put me down but I don't feel in top shape.  I forgot to post today until now; I'm looking through the thread to satisfy prof's request vis-a-vis noc. 

Linkz is certainly not confirmed innocent to me, but he's fairly low on my suspect list.  Above radish, of course. 



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Right, so Noctis.

Day 1 he was absent for quite a while, then came back to congratulate Wonk (I think it was) on going after lurkers, which he freely admitted to being. Wonk shamed him into contributing a little more substantially. Then he disappeared again, only to randomly and uselessly vote radish when moreno/Baalz was in danger of being lynched. But as we all know, Baalz flipped innocent so I'm not sure of the significance there.

Day 2 he had a little activity. He asked radish and stefl about their claims, resulting in prof's gotcha post, and had an exchange with stefl who was making some very odd remarks at the time. Not much substance there that I noticed.

Day 3 he posted nothing other than "I have mixed feelings about prof" until he started making his big posts recent which I decline to recap.

The best case I could make against this is that it stinks of someone lying low, and then becoming active when he has a chance to push a mislynch for the win. He could have tried to take pressure off moreno to buddy up.



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I guesss since this could be the last day there's not much point to being coy about my suspects. Right now they would be:

Noctis and prof in no particular order, I'll have to look at prof more closely.
Wonk and Linkz in no particular order -- in my eyes half as likely to be scum as the other two, at most
radishhead very likely innocent

That isn't to say any of this is set in stone by any means. But I didn't pull this list completely out of my ass either.



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Wonktonodi said:
Vote: Final fan
of my suspects he's doing the least to show he's town

That's an awfully broad charge to defend against; other than just trying to post more I don't know what to say to that unless you get more specific.  Or maybe that's all you mean, in which case I apologize. 



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