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pezus said:
reviniente said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
DirtyP2002 said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
hajime234 said:
Why the people talks to much about oh it's shiped, oh it's sold, shiped is allaways sold for them (companys) because, they're already on the retailers, and they already has the money of it in the pocket by that

So why bother with this site?

Geez Pezus! 


calm down, he had a bad week.

Braces yourselves. He's 'bout to have an even worse year.

What's with the personal attacks? Do you really have to resort to that? You had your chance in the roast thread but you all missed it.

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

And yours will become more cheerful. See, we can all make worthless predictions.

Actually, I was the only one that predicted correct MS shipments before they announced them. Everyone else expected 8.4m+. I think I predicted 7.0m for PS3 so they did ship a bit under my expectations but then I hadn't checked and compared what the usual shipped vs. sold ratio was for Sony.

You're on your way already.



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cookingyourmama said:
greenmedic88 said:
Blood_Tears said:
So are adjustments coming or is this site just leaving the numbers as they are until this next quarter shipments come in?

Good question. Unfortunately, no one who isn't directly responsible for tallying the numbers seems to know the criteria for making adjustments to the "official" numbers. Most of the adjustments are based upon additional information as it becomes available, often in harder to track or newer regions in which hardware is available. 

There does seem to be a discrepancy between SCE's official shipped vs. VGC's sold numbers (difference is too narrow) and another between MS' official shipped and VGC's sold numbers as well (difference seems a bit wide, barring the explanation of channel stuffing) for 2011.

Reposted from earlier in the thread:

In total for 2010 Microsoft shipped 12.1 million consoles, however they sold 13,378,231, Microsoft & retailers made a big mistake & undershipped for 2010 with the majority of that happening in Oct-Dec & it ate into their supply of consoles in the retail chain almost causing a sell out. To make up for this Microsoft had to replenish the retail chain by overshipping in 2011 & they shipped 14.9 million whilst selling 13,422,253.

When you combine the two years worth of sales you get 27 million shipped & 26,800,484 sold, which works out perfectly. Microsoft undershipped in 2010 & had to balance it out by overshipping in 2011.

For the Ps3 in 2010 Sony shipped 14.4 million consoles whilst selling 13,884,453, then in 2011 Sony shipped 14.1 million consoles whilst selling 14,059,943. In total for the last two years they've shipped 28.5 million & sold 27,944,396.

So you think that Microsoft selling 200,000 less then they've shipped = the xbox360 is undertracked whilst Sony selling 550,000 less then they've shipped = the Ps3 is overtracked????



I don't. The shipped vs sold over 2010-2011 make up for the discrepancies. The words undertracked or overtracked were never used by me.

Every time someone on here claims "undertracked" or "overtracked" it typically means they don't like the numbers, more to the point, they don't like that "their console" compared unfavorably, ie "lost." 

This is not the case here.

When you just look at the 2011 numbers alone without taking the low Xbox inventory at the end of 2010 and the higher inventory for the PS3, it looks like Sony hit close to a 100% sell through at a mere 40k units short, which is logistically near impossible (there would be no units on shelves at retail), and MS had over 1.5m units in retail/distribution channels, which is quite high (too many to fit on shelves; would be stacked in warehouses). 



reviniente said:

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

You're probably going to be holding your breath until November before we start seeing sales trends that support your firm belief.



greenmedic88 said:
reviniente said:

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

You're probably going to be holding your breath until November before we start seeing sales trends that support your firm belief.

It'll be a fun wait. I'll bring some chips n' salsa. Oh! and cream soda.



reviniente said:
greenmedic88 said:
reviniente said:

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

You're probably going to be holding your breath until November before we start seeing sales trends that support your firm belief.

It'll be a fun wait. I'll bring some chips n' salsa. Oh! and cream soda.

Are you including portables in this? Or just comparing home console sales and shipments?



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RolStoppable said:
NintendoPie said:
reviniente said:

It'll be a fun wait. I'll bring some chips n' salsa. Oh! and cream soda.

Are you including portables in this? Or just comparing home console sales and shipments?

Only real gaming systems count, so Xbox 360 and PS3.

Ah, I see. Why would you include Nintendo consoles?! 



NintendoPie said:
reviniente said:
greenmedic88 said:
reviniente said:

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

You're probably going to be holding your breath until November before we start seeing sales trends that support your firm belief.

It'll be a fun wait. I'll bring some chips n' salsa. Oh! and cream soda.

Are you including portables in this? Or just comparing home console sales and shipments?

Of course he's including the 3DS.  It's common knowledge that the 3DS is going to spiral downward to only selling 10 million for the year. 

Speaking of Nintendo, it's going to be really interesting how sales go for the Wii U.  Kinda exciting knowing that next gen is just around the corner.  Can't wait.  Ah, who am I kidding, I just want to see new bar graphs on the front page. 

@ OP

Kinda crazy how many threads we have about this same subject.  At least we got a new graph out of it, even if it tells us what we already know.  MS shipped quite a few extra 360s in 2011, some of it to make up for low supply at the end of 2010 and some may have had to do with a misjudgement in demand for Dec.  What's kinda funny is if MS had been able to keep enough supply in the channels in Dec 2010, you could take ~700K-1 million off their shipments for Q1 2011 and we wouldn't be having all this silly discussion right now.



thismeintiel said:
NintendoPie said:
reviniente said:
greenmedic88 said:
reviniente said:

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

You're probably going to be holding your breath until November before we start seeing sales trends that support your firm belief.

It'll be a fun wait. I'll bring some chips n' salsa. Oh! and cream soda.

Are you including portables in this? Or just comparing home console sales and shipments?

Of course he's including the 3DS.  It's common knowledge that the 3DS is going to spiral downward to only selling 10 million for the year. 

Speaking of Nintendo, it's going to be really interesting how sales go for the Wii U.  Kinda exciting knowing that next gen is just around the corner.  Can't wait.  Ah, who am I kidding, I just want to see new bar graphs on the front page. 

@ OP

Kinda crazy how many threads we have about this same subject.  At least we got a new graph out of it, even if it tells us what we already know.  MS shipped quite a few extra 360s in 2011, some of it to make up for low supply at the end of 2010 and some may have had to do with a misjudgement in demand in Dec.  What's kinda funny is if MS had been able to keep enough supply in the channels in Dec 2010, you could take ~700K-1 million off their shipments for Q1 2011 and we wouldn't be having all this silly discussion right now.

Most of us are looking forward to the new generation. I too want to see new graphs! O_O All I actually want to see is sales for all the next gen. consoles. This is the first Game Generation that I have been really hyped for. I used to never get into gaming that much but I really am now! I really want to see all the new competition.

@Bold  



NintendoPie said:
thismeintiel said:
NintendoPie said:
reviniente said:
greenmedic88 said:
reviniente said:

It's not an attack; you love SON¥ (that's understandable) and, although the final tally points to a PS3 win, I'd imagine the numbers we got weren't what you had expected. They didn't help to make this PS3 victory more conclusive. What I wanted to express by you having a worse year, in 2012 I mean, is my firm belief that the X360 will take wins in both shipped and sold-through to consumers. As a result, I expect your posts to become more sour this time around next year.

You're probably going to be holding your breath until November before we start seeing sales trends that support your firm belief.

It'll be a fun wait. I'll bring some chips n' salsa. Oh! and cream soda.

Are you including portables in this? Or just comparing home console sales and shipments?

Of course he's including the 3DS.  It's common knowledge that the 3DS is going to spiral downward to only selling 10 million for the year. 

Speaking of Nintendo, it's going to be really interesting how sales go for the Wii U.  Kinda exciting knowing that next gen is just around the corner.  Can't wait.  Ah, who am I kidding, I just want to see new bar graphs on the front page. 

@ OP

Kinda crazy how many threads we have about this same subject.  At least we got a new graph out of it, even if it tells us what we already know.  MS shipped quite a few extra 360s in 2011, some of it to make up for low supply at the end of 2010 and some may have had to do with a misjudgement in demand in Dec.  What's kinda funny is if MS had been able to keep enough supply in the channels in Dec 2010, you could take ~700K-1 million off their shipments for Q1 2011 and we wouldn't be having all this silly discussion right now.

Most of us are looking forward to the new generation. I too want to see new graphs! O_O All I actually want to see is sales for all the next gen. consoles. This is the first Game Generation that I have been really hyped for. I used to never get into gaming that much but I really am now! I really want to see all the new competition.

@Bold  

I know how you feel.  I'm actually excited to see what the actual consoles are going to look.  Not holding my breath for anything too out there, but curious to know.  Well, minus the Wii U, since we already know what its going to look like.  I also want to see what next gen holds in store in terms of visuals.  Bet they're going to be real purdy.



spurgeonryan said:
I know it reminds me of the 50 vita is doomed threads, 30 vita review threads, 200 what game will you buy next threads, 22 please watch my youtube threads, and 259 voting threads.

-_-...
(puzzle.)