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"So the rumours of the next generation of consoles are coming thick and fast. As thick and fast, in fact, as a sweet, frothy milkshake served from the catering trolley of the Japanese Bullet Train. There are a ton of variants, a ton of angles, and most importantly, a metric shedload of vested interests at play. And naturally, such a broiling cauldron of conflicting influences is usually likely to impart naught but a seething broth of purest acrid bullshit.

But I don’t think that’s necessarily the case this time. You see whatever the latest subjective interpretations of garbled translations of vague, foreign executive statements (and that's really what they are, if you look around a bit) I reckon the next gen is gearing up right now, and building steam all the time. Of course, nothing has been officially admitted. These things never are. But if you look at the spaces between what has been said; if you look not at any particular event for the truth, but at the general shape outlined out by them; and if you do that with the main potential next-gen rumblings of the 2011… Well, well then you’ll find one hell of a clear narrative, detailing exactly where we’re going.

Allow me to elaborate…

New graphics tech is coming, and that will need new hardware

The march towards the next gen started in early March of 2011. You might remember that back then Epic Games, the developer of Gears of War and the Unreal series, and owner of the dominant third-party game engine of this generation, bandied about demo footage of its proposed new graphical tech. This wasn’t just another of those incremental “Look, now we can do meat / water / foliage / incredibly realistic coffee froth!” demos for the standard Unreal Engine 3; the ones that traditionally come along just before a new Gears of War game turns up full of tactile gore, plant-life and motion-controlled barista mini-games.

 

No, this was a proper, kick-you-hard-enough-up-the-arse-to-make-your-eyes-pop-out upgrade, running on PC hardware powerful enough to bully Tron’s master control program. It was intended purely to show exactly the kind of nonsensical real-time visual fidelity Epic now has its sights set on delivering in the near future.

In August, Epic’s next gen engine-touting was joined by that of its eastern counterpart in the noble art of graphics-whoring, Square-Enix,. A supposed demo video leaked onto YouTube, and a few screenshots were released, which very favourably (read: nigh-indistinguishably) compared Square-Enix’s new rendering to photographs. The lighting effects were staggering, giving the whole thing an almost photo-realistic look. The engine – named Luminous Studio – will apparently feature very impressive procedural animation tools, being able to adapt mo-cap animations on the fly based on new variables like terrain-types and the weight of equipment carried by characters. It will feature some impressive AI too, which will operate based on making characters fully aware of the environment around them.

Above: Admit it. You thought it was the dullest image ever, until you realised that one of them is computer-rendered. Now all you want is games about car parks. Good work, Squenix

So, two notoriously visuals-led developers, revealing showboating new technology way in advance of what current console hardware can run. And doing so, rather suspiciously, without a specific game to show off. There’s a stink in the air, and it smells predominantly of one thing. An early licensing pitch. One intended to entice external developers into using Epic and Square-Enix’s software to build their next generation games.

Tech-leasing has always made up half of Epic’s business model, and having got the current generation sewn up early with the Unreal Engine 3’s ubiquitousness, it’s going to want to lock down the next one ASAP. After complaining of the costs and technical traumas of developing for the current generation – Final Fantasy XIII’s linearity was largely explained as a symptom of this – not to mention funding the development of three other game engines, it would not be at all surprising to see Square Enix looking to recoup some of its investment by setting up stall.

But it would be foolhardy in the extreme to do so without a business roadmap. So whether possessing inside knowledge, or trying to give the wheels a grease themselves, both Epic and Square-Enix must be confident that a market for their engine tech must be coming relatively soon. And neither company will simply be banking on uber-powerful consumer PCs. And that means that more powerful consoles are very likely on the way soon. 

And then, just as we’re talking about powerful consoles, we ironically come to the importance of Nintendo within this merry next gen dance…"

 

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spurgeonryan said:
Is this a 6 month old article? Also do you think they are coming soon?

Good luck on assassinating god.

Nope, it came out today. I'm not really expecting them to come early, but it would definitely be their best shot against the Wii U (duh). So yeah, I'm hoping for an early release for the sake of competition.

I've already assassinated God. My parents made me believe in him for 16 years, now he's dead.



@Spurgy Actually, Iwata said that they were even building up a backup plan in case the Wii U would end up like the 3DS. However, he never specified it.

Question is though if Microsoft/Sony have enough software to release earlier than speculations? I doubt that.



Give me the goods!!



           

I like that article. It proves my point that I've been lambasting about endlessly.

My favorite quotable, "...the presence of the PS4 and next Xbox will be felt at some point this year, and that the intention of those reveals will be to allow their respective companies to hit the ground running next January, to start the lead up to a 2013 release."

While I still think there is a chance on a 2012 release for neXtBox, 2013 is a definite for both as far as I'm concerned.



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superchunk said:
I like that article. It proves my point that I've been lambasting about endlessly.

My favorite quotable, "...the presence of the PS4 and next Xbox will be felt at some point this year, and that the intention of those reveals will be to allow their respective companies to hit the ground running next January, to start the lead up to a 2013 release."

While I still think there is a chance on a 2012 release for neXtBox, 2013 is a definite for both as far as I'm concerned.


There is absolutely ZERO chance for a 2012 release.

 

 

2013 isn't even guaranteed at this point.  Why?  Because XBOX 360 and Kinects are still selling like hot cakes.



Persistantthug said:
superchunk said:
I like that article. It proves my point that I've been lambasting about endlessly.

My favorite quotable, "...the presence of the PS4 and next Xbox will be felt at some point this year, and that the intention of those reveals will be to allow their respective companies to hit the ground running next January, to start the lead up to a 2013 release."

While I still think there is a chance on a 2012 release for neXtBox, 2013 is a definite for both as far as I'm concerned.


There is absolutely ZERO chance for a 2012 release.

 

 

2013 isn't even guaranteed at this point.  Why?  Because XBOX 360 and Kinects are still selling like hot cakes.

Yes, kind of like the Nintendo DS was doing horribly when the 3DS came out.

That proves nothing, neither does a company denying something over and over (again, the 3DS rumors were "debunked" several times right up to the reveal).



Persistantthug said:
superchunk said:
I like that article. It proves my point that I've been lambasting about endlessly.

My favorite quotable, "...the presence of the PS4 and next Xbox will be felt at some point this year, and that the intention of those reveals will be to allow their respective companies to hit the ground running next January, to start the lead up to a 2013 release."

While I still think there is a chance on a 2012 release for neXtBox, 2013 is a definite for both as far as I'm concerned.


There is absolutely ZERO chance for a 2012 release.

 

 

2013 isn't even guaranteed at this point.  Why?  Because XBOX 360 and Kinects are still selling like hot cakes.

1) MS won't really want Nintendo to have too much of a head start as they know how much it helped the 360.
2) MS will want a head start on Sony as they know how much it helped the 360. A mild surprise launch in 2012 in NA only confirmed at this years E3, is exactly that and would a major tactical advantage to MS over Sony.
3) If they started building final dev kids in December 2011, its guaranteed internal devs and close partners already had early dev kits for a great part of 2011.
4) #3 says they are already building a library to go with a launch.
5) A north american launch is all MS would need (as that's their primary market) and that would only require a few million units. Easily doable based on very strong rumor final dev kits being produced since December 2011.

Those 5 items clearly give me a solid chance at a late 2012 release in NA. I know E3 will cement this one way or the other.



superchunk said:
Persistantthug said:
superchunk said:
I like that article. It proves my point that I've been lambasting about endlessly.

My favorite quotable, "...the presence of the PS4 and next Xbox will be felt at some point this year, and that the intention of those reveals will be to allow their respective companies to hit the ground running next January, to start the lead up to a 2013 release."

While I still think there is a chance on a 2012 release for neXtBox, 2013 is a definite for both as far as I'm concerned.


There is absolutely ZERO chance for a 2012 release.

 

 

2013 isn't even guaranteed at this point.  Why?  Because XBOX 360 and Kinects are still selling like hot cakes.

1) MS won't really want Nintendo to have too much of a head start as they know how much it helped the 360.
2) MS will want a head start on Sony as they know how much it helped the 360. A mild surprise launch in 2012 in NA only confirmed at this years E3, is exactly that and would a major tactical advantage to MS over Sony.
3) If they started building final dev kids in December 2011, its guaranteed internal devs and close partners already had early dev kits for a great part of 2011.
4) #3 says they are already building a library to go with a launch.
5) A north american launch is all MS would need (as that's their primary market) and that would only require a few million units. Easily doable based on very strong rumor final dev kits being produced since December 2011.

Those 5 items clearly give me a solid chance at a late 2012 release in NA. I know E3 will cement this one way or the other.


LOL

 

That ALOT of wishfull thinking buddy.

 

The fact is....most developers don't want it and Microsoft is happy  cashing in on their proverbial cash cow of Kinect with their growing userbase.

 

Besides, why would you want a rushed XBOX 3, when we all know what horrible mess ensued the last time they rushed.  Microsoft learned their lesson very well and they aren't gonna repeat that stupid mistake.   They'll take the proper time to ensure they don't lose BILLIONS.

 

Also, I keep telling people, it take years to plan, design, negotiate, fabricate, test, mass produce, and market a console.....not months.

Again....Years, not months.

ZERO chance for 2012....Zero.



soon = 2013



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