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mai said:
SamuelRSmith said:

It's David Dees for god's sake, don't you know him? I beleive, Star of David is supposed to reprsent global Zionism on his pictures (didn't you notice other logos on hydra? I thought it was rather obvious). Cool guy, somewhat talented in his own weird way :D

Never heard of him.



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Yep. Great candidate. He has 7 delegates right now and is tied with Romney and Santorum. I don't think he'll win, but he's proving the left-right political spectrum is starting to crumble.

Gary Johnson left the party and is now seeking the Libertarian nomination. They just took a poll and asked voters if there were three major candidates - Obama, Romney and Johnson - who would they vote for, and he already has 9% of the votes as a candidate with little name recognition. If he could get Ron Paul to run with him, they'd be a great force in the elections.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

SamuelRSmith said:

Ron Paul's policies will get the US economy and the dollar growing in strength again. The biggest threat to American supremacy is the debt within. America will be nothing when its currency can't buy anything.

True, but how it's gonna get rid of the debt though? You need an equivalent of war for that, it's too late for anyhting else.

Under Paul, the military will still be, by far, the strongest in the world. It will, however be more focused within. Closing bases around the world, and reopening some within the USA. Focused on defending the borders.

Err, from whom? Mexico? LOL. Canada? Double LOL.

Paul's policies will not make America weaker, it will only make them stronger. His views on foreign policy will also far improve its soft power (economic, diplomatic), which many argue is far more effective than hard (military) power.

There're more than enough soft power, much "softer" than any economic or dimplomatic sanctions could do, say, a net of subsized NGOs all over the world, even PMCs could be regarded as a soft power (well, they're much softer than regular army yet military capable). Despite what everyone thinks the US uses brute force only then when they're absolutely sure in win-win situation. They've took a gamble in the past and got their guts handed back to them, doubt they'd risk to lose face by public bloodletting once again. Ron Paul won't bring anything new to the table here, since soft power is so to speak strong as ever.







mai said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Ron Paul's policies will get the US economy and the dollar growing in strength again. The biggest threat to American supremacy is the debt within. America will be nothing when its currency can't buy anything.

True, but how it's gonna get rid of the debt though? You need an equivalent of war for that, it's too late for anyhting else.

How the hell will a war improve the situation? That's too far in the wrong direction. The solution is very simple, Congress stops spending more than it takes in, and the Federal Reserve's monopoly grip is ended on the currency. How a war would help these, I have no idea.

Under Paul, the military will still be, by far, the strongest in the world. It will, however be more focused within. Closing bases around the world, and reopening some within the USA. Focused on defending the borders.

Err, from whom? Mexico? LOL. Canada? Double LOL.

With a rising China, borders will be more important than ever. You're also forgetting Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific (China's future stomping ground) and Alaska being a stone's throw from Russia. The Mexican border is also a point of contention. It's a well known fact that the weak border is exploited by drug barons, who knows what other unsavoury characters are crossing. Wouldn't be too hard to believe that terrorist organisations would use the border to get people in, or if a country were to declare war on the USA, going via Mexico might be the path of least resistance.

Paul's policies will not make America weaker, it will only make them stronger. His views on foreign policy will also far improve its soft power (economic, diplomatic), which many argue is far more effective than hard (military) power.

There're more than enough soft power, much "softer" than any economic or dimplomatic sanctions could do, say, a net of subsized NGOs all over the world, even PMCs could be regarded as a soft power (well, they're much softer than regular army yet military capable). Despite what everyone thinks the US uses brute force only then when they're absolutely sure in win-win situation. They've took a gamble in the past and got their guts handed back to them, doubt they'd risk to lose face by public bloodletting once again. Ron Paul won't bring anything bew to the table here, since soft power is so to speak strong as ever.

Many of America's greatest threats come from a blowback from previous activities. Patching up relationships with other countries, and supporting liberty, without the use of force, would do a lot for America's security in the future, as well as buy it many allies in the future.









See, I won't vote for someone who has cheated on his wife. I won't vote for someone who left his wife because she fucking got cancer. I won't vote for someone who's been divorced twice.

Newt Gingrich is a douchebag and an asshole, and he doesn't deserve anything anywhere near the presidency.


Mitt Romney, I don't think has the right political experience. And he doesn't have military experience. In his case, it's less that I don't like him and more that I definitely like Ron Paul better. Romney was a filthy rich CEO before politics. Santorum was an attorney. Ron Paul was a physician. I'm not terribly fond of any of 'em, but I like doctors a hell of a lot more than lawyers and CEOs.

Santorum is also a jackass, and we don't need anything of the sort.



Right now, it's between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, I think. Rick Perry is considering dropping out, most Americans will see that Santorum is a dumbass, Newt Gingrich is scum. Mitt Romney is the only strong competition against Ron Paul for the Republican nomination, and that's only because he's more strongly Republican than Paul.



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mai said:
SamuelRSmith said:

.True, but how it's gonna get rid of the debt though? You need an equivalent of war for that, it's too late for anyhting else.

How is War going to decrease debt?

 

Err, from whom? Mexico? LOL. Canada? Double LOL.

From anyone that would ever have a desire to attack us? 

 

There're more than enough soft power, much "softer" than any economic or dimplomatic sanctions could do, say, a net of subsized NGOs all over the world, even PMCs could be regarded as a soft power (well, they're much softer than regular army yet military capable). Despite what everyone thinks the US uses brute force only then when they're absolutely sure in win-win situation. They've took a gamble in the past and got their guts handed back to them, doubt they'd risk to lose face by public bloodletting once again. Ron Paul won't bring anything new to the table here, since soft power is so to speak strong as ever.

 

The biggest reason to vote for Ron Paul is he is Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative.  I don't know an easier way to put it.









Voting for Ron Paul is the first step toward Rapture.



As an addition to my post.

I was not trying to say that Ron Paul is the worst option out there. Far from it, in fact. There are much worse, but that does not make Ron Paul good.

@ Samuel - you are right to ask for proof, so here it is;

That he is not a libertarian.

Libertarians support the concept of 'small government' - limiting the government's power to effect the populace. This is reflected socially, in not limiting people's freedoms, and economically, which tends to advantage corporations, hence they are seen as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Ron Paul, by contrast, believes that the federal government should be weak, and that local and state governments should be very, very powerful. This belief is not libertarian. As examples of this, consider

"In 1997, Paul introduced a Constitutional amendment giving states the power to prohibit the destruction of the flag of the United States." - Giving state government the right to crush freedom of speech is hardly libertarian.

"In 1997, Paul voted to end affirmative action in college admissions.[190][191] Paul criticizes both racism and obsession with racial identity:" - Ron Paul believes in the free market, except when he disagrees with it. Then, the government must stop it.

"Paul opposes all federal efforts to define marriage, whether defined as a union between one man and one woman, or defined as including anything else as well. He believes that recognizing or legislating marriages should be left to the states" - Again, small federal government, big state government.

Ron Paul is for small federal government, not small government. He is not a libertarian.

That he doesn't believe climate change is a big issue
In an October 2007 interview, Paul held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization,"
http://www.grist.org/article/paul1



scottie said:

That he is not a libertarian.

Libertarians support the concept of 'small government' - limiting the government's power to effect the populace. This is reflected socially, in not limiting people's freedoms, and economically, which tends to advantage corporations, hence they are seen as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Ron Paul, by contrast, believes that the federal government should be weak, and that local and state governments should be very, very powerful. This belief is not libertarian. As examples of this, consider

Giving power to the individual states, thus limiting the oversight of the Federal government, is supporting small government?   He doesn't want States to be any more powerful than their size allows them to be.  This is the whole idea of 'Small Government'.  Is government that your voice actually matters.  By giving power to the states (How the consitution desired it to be),  we effectively have a series of small governments, watched over by a small footprinted federal government.


"In 1997, Paul introduced a Constitutional amendment giving states the power to prohibit the destruction of the flag of the United States." - Giving state government the right to crush freedom of speech is hardly libertarian.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul99.html

 

"In 1997, Paul voted to end affirmative action in college admissions.[190][191] Paul criticizes both racism and obsession with racial identity:" - Ron Paul believes in the free market, except when he disagrees with it. Then, the government must stop it.

How is ending affirmative action in college admission in anyway related to the government stopping something? Affirmative action is the exact opposite of free market?  Lol.   You do know what Affirmative action is don't you?

"Paul opposes all federal efforts to define marriage, whether defined as a union between one man and one woman, or defined as including anything else as well. He believes that recognizing or legislating marriages should be left to the states" - Again, small federal government, big state government.

Ron Paul is for small federal government, not small government. He is not a libertarian.

So voting for Flag Burning amendment to appease to his distrixt, while outwardly admitting his dis-taste for it and displeasure in voting for it  and giving power to the small state governments makes him non-Libertarian?

 

That he doesn't believe climate change is a big issue
In an October 2007 interview, Paul held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization,"
http://www.grist.org/article/paul1

What does this even matter?  Scientists can't even agree whether it's happening because of factors on this planet, whether it's the Earth coming out of an Ice Age,  or a slew of other factors?  Beyond that point, what is Ron Paul or any singular person supposed to do about this?   You have developing nations across the globe feeling success of industry and having more and more gas powered vehicles and power plants being built.   This is completely irrelevant.  





Rpruett said:

scottie said:

That he doesn't believe climate change is a big issue

In an October 2007 interview, Paul held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization,"
http://www.grist.org/article/paul1

What does this even matter?  Scientists can't even agree whether it's happening because of factors on this planet, whether it's the Earth coming out of an Ice Age,  or a slew of other factors?  Beyond that point, what is Ron Paul or any singular person supposed to do about this?   You have developing nations across the globe feeling success of industry and having more and more gas powered vehicles and power plants being built.   This is completely irrelevant.  

 

You have got to be kidding me.