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Well, answer the damn question.

Yes, it is. 567 61.63%
 
No, it isn't. 292 31.74%
 
I like it when you talk rough, d21! 61 6.63%
 
Total:920

The sad truth is that making Blu-rays mainstream did more for this gen than anything else the 3 consoles attempted to introduce. I bought into 3D gaming like a sucker. Still, my LG tv is pretty awesome regardless.

Also to answer the main question. Definitely. It's far from over yet, i'm hoping to see about 80-100million units sold by the end of its 10 year life cycle. It was a financial sink but it was worth it in the end for it forced Sony to differentiate itself from the competition with a slew of great exclusives, both first and third party, old and new IPs. Also from graphs i've seen, I recall the PS1 and PS2 didn't make Sony much in terms of revenue despite them selling over 100million units each.



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Kynes said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Kynes said:
Just a petition... Since the beginning of this generation, most people defended Sony's strategy with the PS3 based on future revenues of Blu-Ray royalties. Can someone please provide me any numbers of those royalties due to Blu-Ray?

Sony royalties on Blu Ray are quite a tiny fraction of the forfait fees the consortium receives on drives and discs, except in the cases it produces or publishes the contents or it licenses its specific implementations of the standards to 3rd parties. Sony sells its drives, blank discs and contents too and on them it profits obviously more, but royalties on the tech should be quite low. More than royalties, Blu Ray victory on HD-DVD avoided Sony and other HW companies to pay far higher royalties than Sony's share on BD, to Microsoft, as MS owns the most used implementation, based on Windows CE, of HD-DVD's interactive contents, while BD OTOH uses a Java derivative for them. About codecs, MS gets royalties when its codec for the VC-1 format is used, but alternative codecs can be used too, as the format itself isn't proprietary anymore, MS opened it to have it accepted by both BD and HD-DVD consortia.

Saying Sony gets much money from BD royalties is wrong, it gets money from its whole presence in the BD business, and having won the format war put Sony and the other producers of the winning format in a better situation than the losers, having drives and discs already in production when the war ended and not having to sell at a loss supplies of the losing stuff, but royalties from others are a tiny fraction of the profits..

So they lost tons of money to not pay a small royaltie to MS, Toshiba and NEC. I don't think it's a very clever strategy.

Surely not just that. Being an important member of the winning format means not just money, but power. Being an important and big member of the losing format would have meant having to sell the losing format units produced at a loss. Sony doesn't sell just PS3 using BD, it sells standalone BD players and recorders, external and internal BD readers and writers for PCs, it sacrificed PS3 profits to help other products to take off. Most probably it overestimated the benefits on Home Audio and Video Product Category, as Games is currently twice as big, but with hindsight... And HA & V and optical drives for PC would have surely suffered if they were in the losing format. Finally, now that PlayStation isn't anymore the threat against Windows business MS feared, MS competition with Sony isn't so harsh and aggressive anymore, but back then MS support for the competing format was clearly meant as a direct attack also against Sony, not just against Java. BTW the format war raging at PS3 launch caused blue lasers shortages and their price skyrocketing so that Sony suffered a double damage, not having enough units for a simultaneous WW launch, what's worse missing a Xmas launch in Europe, and increased production costs.



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crissindahouse said:
Dampfi said:

I would say yes. The fact that the BluRay format won over HD DVD made it kind of successful. It might still be rather expensive for Sony to develop, but how can you say a console is not a success after selling 60mil+?


so selling 600m and going bankrupt would be a success? hey most sold console of all time wohooo!

lol

ok you got a point there. Then I have to say: saleswise, it eventually will be (although not matching PS2´s sales), financially, ah, well, not. By the way, are they still losing money on every sold PS3?



NO.

They have not made money from the PS3 and they have lost many 3rd party exclusives and market share to M$.

The only good thing the PS3 has done for Sony is to establish better 1st party studios which will benefit the next consoles and handheld's yet to come. '
Had the PS3 made money or broke even than i would call it a success. Though i do expect it to be profitable for many years to come. I doubt it will make all the money back.


The PS3 has done good in laying the ground work for the next console



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slowmo said:
No it's not a success. It lost too much money to ever be labelled a success really. There's only 2 reasons the doom and gloom predicted regarding the PS3 didn't come true, Sony did a blinder on shutting their mouth and stop spouting crap disguised as facts in their PR statements and the 360 had it's hideous hardware failure issues. Had the 360 been reliable at launch the PS3 would have been stillborn.

For people saying there was just doom and gloom for no reason back in 2007/2008, I assure you there was every good reason.

no it wasn't

The console back then was overpriced, underpowered

selling for almost 300 dollars LESS than what it's worth is "overpriced" how about more expensive than the competiton, and lol at underpowerd, the slim added hardware I didn't know about??

and it took a long time and many exclusives to try and sway that opinion.

was the only problem it had early on, but those games came and all the haters STFU

Both the PS3 and Sony deserved every thread wrote about them for their arrogance and thankfully they listened to devs, consumers, journalists and fixed the issues that people complained most about.

 


P.S. I don't think it was worth the hit Sony took to get Bluray in the PS3 but I certainly appreciate it now (although I'd have been just as happy for HD-DVD to have won tbh).

anyway: number 1 selling console of the year, currently has the best software support of the 3, no longer selling console for a loss, succeeding in laying the ground work for next gen console better than it's competitors, sounds like a success to me



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No its not a success, its not even sold half of the hardware or software that the PS2 has while Xbox 360 has more than doubled the original Xbox in hardware and who knows how much more going by software.

They've gone from first place to last. Utterly stomped in USA and UK the two biggest markets and even in Japan the console has sold about a third what the other two consoles did.

It sells well and all but overall it wasn't successful.



d21lewis said:

Posting from my phone.  I'll edit the OP later since the last time I tried to post this, my phone reset itself.  Anyway, like the "Is the PSP a success" thrad, I ask this simple question:  Do you think the PS3 is a success?  Discuss.

 

Wait, WHAT? Is that you, Superman?

About time you got your own phone instead of using phone booths!

 



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I wonder what people would rate Sony's "success" at on a scale of 1-10. I suspect some ppeople would rate it a resounding 10/10!!



kowenicki said:
d21lewis said:
I wonder what people would rate Sony's "success" at on a scale of 1-10. I suspect some ppeople would rate it a resounding 10/10!!


It is amazing really how some people "see" things.


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Thanks for the reply Kow, I probably wouldn't have bothered given the laughable response. I'm still trying to figure out how they laid the best groundwork for the next gen by throwing away huge marketshare in the US and UK. Crazy guy.