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Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
I do hope our cop isn't one of the lurkers

I realize the answer is fairly obvious, but please explain further.

 

The answer being fairly obvious merits little explination but since I have little else to post.

We just lost an investigative role who probably never even used his role. So a waste and not helpful to town. I hoped something like this wouldn't happen with the cop. I still hope that. There have been 3 nights to investigate now, he should have something for us to go on. IF he is lurking or nor even participating then it's a waste of a role and hurting the town.

With the role I have I know there is a cop out there. Thats why I could say that with confidence and not wonder if we even have one.

I really hate how you're using future information to explain earlier stuff. Fortunately for me and not so much for you, your answer actually contradicts your original statement AND completely missed the obvious.

"Lurkers" by nature of the term are reading the thread and still "participating" in the game, just not posting. A lurker is likely to survive longer at night and therefore have more investigations to share when finally claiming. Here's what you missed as being obvious: A normal townie might fear a lurker cop, because with the short days they may not be able to actually claim before being lynched. A normal deputy wouldn't want the cop to die, but shouldn't really fear it either since the power is passed along. But you're even more extreme, as you think the cop isn't even making investigations. Since you seem to think it's so important(and it is, but in the grand scheme of Mafia it isn't really) why wouldn't you try to prevent the power from continuing to be wasted? You should have pushed for a lurker lynch and maybe even urged Spurge(heh) to shoot one of them in order to take it by force. The latter is true whether you would believe the vig claim or not as it's also a means to help prove it finally.

It's laughable that you think the cop would outlive you after you claimed, without any real provocation might I add, btw.

Furthermore, any cop worth his salt should have investigated you last night. So that if he were to die he could leave town knowing if they could trust your claims or not. I believe it'd be redundant at this point for the cop to claim a guilty scan on you, but in the event I'm wrong they should save you from the gallows.

I will get to this latter or not.

If the cop didn't do his job and doesn't come forward that will be 3 strike against this game and I'll be done with this "practice"



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Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
After a quick read over the game, I'm noticing things I did not notice before -things I will not mention.

All I'm going to say is either Noctis or Baalz hangs today.

You're going to have to do more than that...

I've actually forgotten about Baal since his vote on Spurge, but going 24 hours without posting is rarely alarming here. I wouldn't mind answers to my questions directed at him though.

Haven't thought much of Noctis, but there hasn't been much to think on either. I know he had a huge failure in logic, but I wasn't going to be the one to point it out unless I had to.

Are these notices at least stronger than the instincts from yesterday? Be honest, are you just trying to distract me into finding something(s) that aren't there instead of going after Wonk?

Royalty only says what he has to. But since you insist, I'm going to put you on the spot.

You're the cop. You trusted me out of the blue the other day, and then you trust Radish with the dumbest reasons that I personally believe don't even make sense to you. This tells: you're highly naive, you have a man crush on Radish, or you're the cop.

With that process of thinking, I eliminated you and Radish out of the scum equation. With the belief that lurkers are pro-town, that leaves baalz and noctis the only two odd players in my eyes. Simple deduction really.

However, Moren's sudden return, and yours and Wonks discussion is making think the 3rd mafia (if there's one) is between morn and Wonk.

As for you're last part, no I think you should continue pressuring Wonk. I enjoy seeing people squirm.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

I assure everyone that I want baalz dead because I believe it's the right choice, not because he deserves it for hosting a shitty game and wronging me.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
After a quick read over the game, I'm noticing things I did not notice before -things I will not mention.

All I'm going to say is either Noctis or Baalz hangs today.

You're going to have to do more than that...

I've actually forgotten about Baal since his vote on Spurge, but going 24 hours without posting is rarely alarming here. I wouldn't mind answers to my questions directed at him though.

Haven't thought much of Noctis, but there hasn't been much to think on either. I know he had a huge failure in logic, but I wasn't going to be the one to point it out unless I had to.

Are these notices at least stronger than the instincts from yesterday? Be honest, are you just trying to distract me into finding something(s) that aren't there instead of going after Wonk?

Royalty only says what he has to. But since you insist, I'm going to put you on the spot.

You're the cop. You trusted me out of the blue the other day, and then you trust Radish with the dumbest reasons that I personally believe don't even make sense to you. This tells: you're highly naive, you have a man crush on Radish, or you're the cop.

With that process of thinking, I eliminated you and Radish out of the scum equation. With the belief that lurkers are pro-town, that leaves baalz and noctis the only two odd players in my eyes. Simple deduction really.

However, Moren's sudden return, and yours and Wonks discussion is making think the 3rd mafia (if there's one) is between morn and Wonk.

As for you're last part, no I think you should continue pressuring Wonk. I enjoy seeing people squirm.


For those who are not following because they don't have a strong brain like mines. I'm saying:

Linkz investigated, me, Radishand MG at some point and we all came up clean.

If you read back at the game, shit just a few posts above, he randomly decides to "like" MG as town. Earlier in the game, he randomly liked me for town (with a reason that was so bad I didn't even buy it). Not to mention his bromance with Radish.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

morenoingrato said:
Okay.
Baalz: I don't have much

Spurge: Last game, he made a similar slip-up, he could be using that as an advantage and try to trick us all, but I don't have anything else against him currently.

MG: Well, he hasn't said anything large enough, so I couldn't find anything that could help me.

hatmoza: As always, playing dizzy and fool, a pretty evil genius.

Noctis: Well, I couldn't read much, he hardly said anything big enough apart from noticing radish's mistake.

Linkz: Nothing, really, he seems to put strong arguments and a great defense all around.

Radish: As someone pointed out, he may have just said what he said to push for a lynch and look innocent-ish at the same time.

Wonk: Well, I find it hard to believe there are 3 "cop" roles in one town, and honestly, I don't think the mod would do such a thing, so:

Vote: Wonk

Your answer comes off as genuine, especially if you've finally landed a town role, so I'll treat the list as such. I hope you'll take the time to read through more thoroughly though, it's not as long as a usual game so it shouldn't be too tough.

At first I didn't like that you had "not much" on Baal and Noctis after hat just mentioned them both, but it makes sense given their activity on top of skimming. MG also logically fits into this category.

You make a great point against Spurge, and it's a new angle I believe to boot. Kudos

Could you explain the comment on hat, especially "dizzy and fool"?

What do you mean I put a great defense? If you've read anything as defensive then you should be suspicious of me as I haven't even been attacked.

As for radish, I also pointed out(and just noticed that I had a typo) that it was bad logic to think that. "What was said combined with a vote could not have been a post designed to appear like a townie. Urging a lynch without any vote comes off bad no matter what." (Bold is edited in)

I like the vote being on Wonk, but it's a pure meta vote. I too would say that cop, backup cop, and watcher in a game this size is probably too much, but that's very weak reasoning.

 

So in the end you're non-committal about everyone and think Wonk is scum because the role simply shouldn't exist. I would like you to read more and come back with some more town or scum reads. Being neutral on a few players is okay, but not on 7.



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hatmoza said:
hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
After a quick read over the game, I'm noticing things I did not notice before -things I will not mention.

All I'm going to say is either Noctis or Baalz hangs today.

You're going to have to do more than that...

I've actually forgotten about Baal since his vote on Spurge, but going 24 hours without posting is rarely alarming here. I wouldn't mind answers to my questions directed at him though.

Haven't thought much of Noctis, but there hasn't been much to think on either. I know he had a huge failure in logic, but I wasn't going to be the one to point it out unless I had to.

Are these notices at least stronger than the instincts from yesterday? Be honest, are you just trying to distract me into finding something(s) that aren't there instead of going after Wonk?

Royalty only says what he has to. But since you insist, I'm going to put you on the spot.

You're the cop. You trusted me out of the blue the other day, and then you trust Radish with the dumbest reasons that I personally believe don't even make sense to you. This tells: you're highly naive, you have a man crush on Radish, or you're the cop.

With that process of thinking, I eliminated you and Radish out of the scum equation. With the belief that lurkers are pro-town, that leaves baalz and noctis the only two odd players in my eyes. Simple deduction really.

However, Moren's sudden return, and yours and Wonks discussion is making think the 3rd mafia (if there's one) is between morn and Wonk.

As for you're last part, no I think you should continue pressuring Wonk. I enjoy seeing people squirm.


For those who are not following because they don't have a strong brain like mines. I'm saying:

Linkz investigated, me, Radishand MG at some point and we all came up clean.

If you read back at the game, shit just a few posts above, he randomly decides to "like" MG as town. Earlier in the game, he randomly liked me for town (with a reason that was so bad I didn't even buy it). Not to mention his bromance with Radish.

I'm going to let you down by quoting myself: "Furthermore, any cop worth his salt should have investigated you last night." Furthermore, I would never be so obvious about my scans if I had rolled cop. Nor would I ever scan radish or even MG, though in this game I suppose it's possible.(Vette and FF while alive as well as Wonk and Baal would take precedence if I put myself in those shoes)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4368227 explains why I lean town with you and radish.(And so what if I have a bromance!)

For MG, I didn't want to discuss the meta before getting into Wonk a bit; hence the "for now" and "just". I do like that he's not right back on radish and looking at my main suspect though.

Hell I'd have been happy to be shot at by mafia thinking I was cop, but I don't want the cop foolishly coming out to counter a non-claim here.



Linkzmax said:

Why are you assuming Spurge had to target anyone at all? Most vigilantes aren't forced to kill.

What makes you think he's mafia rather than a vig?

If he is vig, don't you think it'd be better to coach him into using any shots he has on shadier players? Lynching him to remove the threat of an additional town night kill is simply a terrible idea. You're giving up the chance of lynching scum during the day instead.

I think you're really just scared of being shot by Spurge, which would be a nulltell given nobody really wants to die. Except that it means you're more inclined to believe the claim, which scum is far more likely to do.

Sorry for not posting at all in the last day, I was out of town.

1.) My assumptions were based on not thinking everything through.  I have noticed over time when I try to analyze somebody or something in this game, I tend to make mistakes.  Whether it be forgetting something that could have potentially happened, or not understanding properly what somebody was saying, it seems to happen quite frequently.  I don't know if I just suck at this process, or if I just try to do it too fast (although we don't have too terribly much time in this particular game).

It is something I need to work on, or else my big large posts are flawed, and more or less worthless.

2.) The entire time I was writing that paragraph, it was under the false thought that he needed to target somebody every single night.  It sounds like a really stupid mistake to make, but to be plain and simple, I have had much less time than normal during this game, and simply haven't been writing down notes and analyzing stuff as I should be.  I need to be making sure to do this, because stupid mistakes really aren't something we can live with in a game like this.

3.) If for 100% certainty he is a vigilante, thinking it through, it probably would be better to coach him, rather than lynch a sure townie, but the thing is, we don't know that he is.  We have somebody who more or less told us, "If I'm watched, I might just happen to be the person who targeted the one who died overnight."  It is something that could be a complete coverup to make us think it is a vigilante killing certain people.  If he is indeed the Vigilante, and being the one who self admitted it, I sincerely hope he is willing to inform us whether or not the death each night was due to him (otherwise we analyze things assuming it was a mafia (or other source, which is doubtful) kill)

I really don't think something such as this is a strategy that Spurge would employ this early in his mafia career though.  It is extremely risky, and to be quite honest, I'm not certain it is even a good idea.

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No offense to Spurge, but him having the ability to kill at night freaks the hell out of me.  While death is imminent for (generally speaking) a majority of the people in each game, the last thing I want to die for is because of a misguided random nightkill by a vigilante.  Being mislynched, killed by mafia, or a serial killer are all something that I can live with.  Even though I want to remain alive in a game, those kinds of things happen.

But in the previous game, although it was his first, he was putting out some of the most random votes and accusations I think I have ever seen (although I should be the last to talk when I myself am voting based off of incomplete thought processes).

Maybe it is something scum would be more prone to be afraid of, but the plain and simple truth is it scares me.



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Wonktonodi said:
MetalGear_94 said:
So MDJ was a town tracker, if we believe wonk's deputy claim, that means there are 3 investigative roles. I would think that would be too much, right?


Mine only kicks in if the cop dies and even then I don't get the cops results.  So not 3 investigators at once even then we don't know much else from the rest of the set up other than that 3 people so far have been vanilla townies.

Really? I assumed the deputy would get the dead cop's result. I still think it would be a little much



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Wonktonodi said:

I will get to this latter or not.

If the cop didn't do his job and doesn't come forward that will be 3 strike against this game and I'll be done with this "practice"

Yes certainly if you're lynched then you will be done with this game...



You are a bad liar Linkz. But it's a change in you playstyle for the better.

I still think you're cop, and I'm well aware of the posts where you distance yourself from the cop role, but I have my beliefs and we'll stop there.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson