Sigh. I sense a 'sign this thing saying you can't sue us' trend coming
Sigh. I sense a 'sign this thing saying you can't sue us' trend coming
thranx said:
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Seems fair enough
o_O.Q said:
"claiming that they own your copy of the operating firmware on the device and have the right to alter it at will is just that" actually thats not really accurate it was never stated that they have the right to modify your software ( the user does that voluntarily ), in fact i would say that indeed the user has control over the current version of software on the system ...but the fact still remains that for continued access to their network you have to download their software updates |
Right, but this attitude is monopolistic and likely in a grey area regarding consumer law (at best), because they sell you a product, not the service, and they shouldn't have the legal right to alter the product you purchased or else they suspend your access to the service. They are discrete realms. Would you be claiming this if Windows/Apple said "upgrade your software so that we can uninstall part of your software or we'll disable your network card?"
The idea is effectively the same. The terms of your access to the service should not be used as leverage for them to remove value from your purchased product. The similarity on the case against Hotz is that Sony asserted that they have control over the current version of software as well (e.g. that it is actionable for users to alter their current software, or distribute information to that effect), which definitely is not the case. They have egregiously overextended the notion of where the service ends and the consumer's property begins, and one day they will be taken to task for it with great prejudice.

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Mr Khan said:
Right, but this attitude is monopolistic and likely in a grey area regarding consumer law (at best), because they sell you a product, not the service, and they shouldn't have the legal right to alter the product you purchased or else they suspend your access to the service. They are discrete realms. Would you be claiming this if Windows/Apple said "upgrade your software so that we can uninstall part of your software or we'll disable your network card?" The idea is effectively the same. The terms of your access to the service should not be used as leverage for them to remove value from your purchased product. The similarity on the case against Hotz is that Sony asserted that they have control over the current version of software as well (e.g. that it is actionable for users to alter their current software, or distribute information to that effect), which definitely is not the case. They have egregiously overextended the notion of where the service ends and the consumer's property begins, and one day they will be taken to task for it with great prejudice. |
well to be honest we have to look at the whole picture here - sony did this in responce to geohot breaking down the security on the console... the last time that happened on a sony console look at what happened - the psp now has little support outside japan... so in terms of your question yes it was definitely unfair but beyond that i'm quite sure most people would rather not have a situation like the psp happen with the ps3
really and truly i place most of the blame on geohot, had he not distributed means to break through the security sony wouldn't have removed other os ( there would have been no reason to )
o_O.Q said:
well to be honest we have to look at the whole picture here - sony did this in responce to geohot breaking down the security on the console... the last time that happened on a sony console look at what happened - the psp now has little support outside japan... so in terms of your question yes it was definitely unfair but beyond that i'm quite sure most people would rather not have a situation like the psp happen with the ps3 really and truly i place most of the blame on geohot, had he not distributed means to break through the security sony wouldn't have removed other os ( there would have been no reason to ) |
Agree, but the ends in no way justify the means.

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
| o_O.Q said: really and truly i place most of the blame on geohot, had he not distributed means to break through the security sony wouldn't have removed other os ( there would have been no reason to ) |
You mean the security on a device that he paid for? That bastard! How dare he attempt to modify something that's his!
People here have to realise that this was Sony's attempt to regulate user purchased hardware in order to save money on server-side security. After this debacle, as well as the hacking attempts on a lax security PSN, it has come back to bite them on the ass.
Now, if Sony was handing out PS3s for free, then you wouldn't hear me complaining. Sony could do what they want with hardware that's still theirs, but this is hardware purchased by a customer. Are you really going to stand there and say that Sony have a right to do this?
| o_O.Q said: the psp now has little support outside japan... so in terms of your question yes it was definitely unfair but beyond that i'm quite sure most people would rather not have a situation like the psp happen with the ps3 |
Are we talking sales dropping due to piracy? Because I'm pretty sure you'd still need to acquire a PSP in order to do that. So why has PSP console AND game sales been constantly in last place for months now? Well, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out...
fordy said:
You mean the security on a device that he paid for? That bastard! How dare he attempt to modify something that's his! People here have to realise that this was Sony's attempt to regulate user purchased hardware in order to save money on server-side security. After this debacle, as well as the hacking attempts on a lax security PSN, it has come back to bite them on the ass. Now, if Sony was handing out PS3s for free, then you wouldn't hear me complaining. Sony could do what they want with hardware that's still theirs, but this is hardware purchased by a customer. Are you really going to stand there and say that Sony have a right to do this? |
yes.
kitler53 said:
yes. |
I'm sure you're looking forward to the day when corporate entities tell you exactly what to do...