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The time of which post prof? My claim of being visited or the flavor?



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Baalzamon said:
@Noctis: I was reluctant to discuss NIV because I don't think it is a good idea, and I still don't think it is a good idea. All it will do is mess with the flow of the game if we have all sorts of roles who "know" who will be targeted in a given night. Why did I finally just give in? Because I don't feel like explaining myself 8 million times to people questioning me over and over about why I don't want to talk about it.

And that isn't completely what Wonk pointed out. He went on to point out it becomes a WIFOM situation, which means it isn't a good or bad idea for them to target those who suspect them. I do agree with him on this matter. Who we list as top suspects is, in all reality, irrelevant towards being able to make any conclusions about what the mafia will do.

Finally, I've been talking in absolute? I don't know a damned thing about what is going on. I just can't stand it when people come up with these absolutely crazy ideas of what is going on. This does absolutely nothing to progress the town any further towards lynching a mafia candidate. Sometimes I feel like it might even move town backwards, because they begin discussing alien like situations that are just completely out of wack.

I don't think I have seen a single time where the crazy discussion from early game winds up being remotely close to what actually was happening in the game.

This is the only thing I want. I want a thorough explanation coming from you that's why even voted for you  in the first place but I am still gonna take a close watch on your post because you are still on my suspect lists. You are still 50/50 for me. 

UNVOTE


 



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Well my gut was right about MG, shouldn't have let you guys make me second guess my thoughts.
MG I thought was town because he contributed to saving me from death in the closing hour.
Thankfully, him being a suspect is no longer an option.

My suspects are moreno, noc, wonk, radish.

The people I'm pretty confident are town are FF, Vette, and of course myself.

I'm on the fence with Linkz, Baal, and spurge.


Going back to this cus I've had it saved in another tab(not sure why)

 

What are you talking about? Nobody had even mentioned MG other than you're wavering from town to "concerned."

How is Wonk still in your suspect list? You admit that it's unlikely people lied about their NIVs and so Wonk was probably copped and came up innocent.

I'm talking about when I previously had mg as 'semi-confirmed (but not as much as Vette)'. I think I used those words exactly too.

I was convinced that mafia was you wonk and radish, in my head. Now that you've put up such a big fight, I've had to open up my suspects list to include people I felt semi good about and lurkers/noobs.

As for wonk, I don't know. I haven't seen him cleared. I think that it's a mistake to lie in voting, but that doesn't mean someone didn't. Why are you treating this specific game like it's not mafia as usual?I'm being asked to just trust that wonk was copped and cleared? Ridiculous.



Linkzmax said:
The time of which post prof? My claim of being visited or the flavor?

As much as it pains me to realize my mistake, I was going by the flavor.



spurgeonryan said:
Oh and for the time thing, I never sign off and from time to time my wall will say 23 hours as well even when I am here. So anyone you saw with 23 or whatever could have easily been here.

No, you had posted just recently at that time. You weren't just online. You posted.



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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
The time of which post prof? My claim of being visited or the flavor?

As much as it pains me to realize my mistake, I was going by the flavor.

Woe is you...

The flavor came out within an hour of my claim of being visited. You did mention everyone that posted within that timeframe, though Noc did not. In fact he posted roughly a day prior and not until However, just before my claim of being visited mg and radish had both posted. Baal also posted just before my claim and before Noctis did, yet no mention of him.

So clearly you didn't go by timestamps at all...



EBWOP: not until a bit after the flavor did he post again. However, just*



theprof00 said:

 

I was convinced that mafia was you wonk and radish, in my head. Now that you've put up such a big fight, I've had to open up my suspects list to include people I felt semi good about and lurkers/noobs.

 


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329737 you mention 4 but no radish or myself on the list

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329740 you add radish to the list in the next post Followed imediatly by a vote for RAdish

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329742

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329769 your post where you say the speed of my vote will determine how you view me the rest of the game. Had I seen the post I would have linked you to the post that answered your questions 12 hours before that.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329816 Now you finally have "opened up your suspects list" to include me.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4330112 Suddenly your "5" although with me would be 6 lost moren and spurge. no questioning of them no grilling of them. Just gone.  In fact moreno posted nothing between these and Spurge revenge voted on radish.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329996 spurges posts around the revenge vote and vette calling him out on it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4330334 After links asks prof who he meant as the 5th or if prof meant 4 prof says he meant 4and in fact now saying spurge "seems genuine" and somehow the 4 changes noc is out and moreno is back in.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4330337 prof explains why the list was off because radish wasn't on it when radish has been on all but the first

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4331012 for suspecting radish you are acting very stange towards him like you somehow think this will make him trust you.

and that is all day 1

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4330454 saving this one for latter

 

 

 

 



Thanks for finally making it easy. Took a while guys, but we have scum dead to rights.

Vote: theprof00

I'm going to vote to investigate Baal once night comes.



Wonktonodi said:

1You have a list one moment latter you add someone. When I went offline while you asked a question you suddenly add me. Even though I had answere the question 12 hours before. 2)What question did spurge answer that was good enough to remove him from your suspects yet you didn't even bother unvoting him at the time?

3) You constantly say I'm town I'm town like that is somehow evidence.

4) You miss points people make. Like when I have listed people I find suspicious.

5) You come up with crazy theories for how linkz should be scum by his claim yet ignore the more likely possibilities. Plus you flipped what you were even complaining about.

6) You throw crazy gambits that make it hard to follow where you stand on someone.

7) You have focused more on the people who are more cleared then on looking into those that have not been.

 

8) So how namy suspects do you have at the moment? is it 4? Is it 5 is is 6?

9) should we count people you are on the fence about as people you suspect?

10) Should I quote all your posts on suspects to show how crazy they are?

11) Why is it ok for you to trust other players and just vote how they vote no reasons of your own while it's no ok for linkz and I to even agree on anything?

1) I post I read, I reread, I alter. simple really.
2) I guess not really answering questions, but I already said why. Because he seems to be playing the "i'm hinting at my role so you can confirm me as town". Sounds like a noob strategy, and probably one that thinks mafia have evil names. Hence we clear him by getting his name. It's not entirely concrete though, so why should I remove my vote? He was nowhere near being lynched. He's on the fence.
3) OK? And you suspect that because that's what mafia would say? Smarten up chap. It's what anyone would say. I'm town. You'll regret killing me (if you're town), I promise you.
4) Like when? Have you gone after ANY of them? I suspect this was a response to me saying you've been tunneling me. Not a very solid response wonk. You have been.
5) You ignore the scum possibilities completely! Do I have to remind you that I nearly won as scum using a similar role description? That was what I thought AT THAT POINT IN TIME. Now I think it's far more likely that he is in fact that role. I just don't like people forcing me to think that people are cleared. I really really really dislike people telling me that someone is town because of a role. We've had mafia trackers claim to be town, and people defend them. FF won last round because he claimed watcher. A role does not equal alignment. Sorry to break it to you. ACTIONS are the only thing that truly help determine alignment.
6) What crazy gambits? The spurge thing at the beginning? If you couldn't follow that I was trying to get him to break, then I don't think any amount of intelligent discussion is worth your accusations.
7) I just moved towards other people and you voted me for it. I spent time on your guys because I wanted to make SURE that I wasn't letting you fall through the cracks. I like to think I'm thorough.
8) It's easy wise-ass: I post a list. That is my current list. Any previous ones can be thrown out. My current list is the only one that matters. I wrote why I trust the people that I do. I don't really have reads on the others, but those 2 vette and ff, seem pretty sincerely town. I'm currently on the fence with Linkz, Baal, and spurge. Linkz, because I'm grudgingly accepting that he might be what he says he is, Baal because I agree with what he says most of the time but think he might be using me, spurge because it's just so hard to read someone who plays the way he's playing and could be a ploy, and at the same time, could be nub strategy.  Moreno has said about 5 things all game, he's a suspect. Especially since I haven't been getting anywhere with my other suspects. Scum almost always are lurking when I get into long drawn out arguments with townies (if you are in fact one). Same goes with noc, though he's posted more, it doesn't feel like his posts are his. They feel parroted. You, I just don't like your stubbornness, insistence, and really really poor reasons for voting me, along with defending linkz for really no reason at all. Radish because I trust Vette, and Radish has also been playing it safe. Aren't we usually all over him by this time of day? Shit, it's usually day one something extremely awkward is said by him. Nothing so far? He's a suspect.

9) no, not really. I like to think that if I died, it would be safe to go after my suspects, a good idea to keep an eye on my fencers, and probably a good idea to trust my townies.

10) They're actually not that crazy. Think about it like this. There's a boat in the water. It's a used boat. It's floating. I think you would say it's fine. I on the other hand would pull it on land and check everything. It's not craziness. It's being thorough. Sure maybe I'm overanalyzing, but I don't wanna be out at sea when a hole appears.

11) I have no problem with you taking problem with my voting with my townies list. I take problem that you agreed with something he never said. I asked linkz for his reason, and you gave him a reason. That, I don't understand. See, unlike you, I can understand voting with someone you trust, but answering questions intended for other players is never a good sign. Just last game, I asked ST a question and FF answered for him. That was the whole part where linkz stepped in and then went on to lynch ST. But FF was mafia the whole time. I don't like when people answer for others, especially if they're people who are on all the time. I'd make an exception if Linkz was away for 24 hours, but that wasn't the case.