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theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
FF just tell me how Linkz role makes any sense as a town role.
No matter how OP as mafia, how does it make sense as town. How?

And how does the flavor clear him?

 

I don't know how anyone could think I'm disputing the power.

I'm disputing how the power automatically means town. That's all.

It matters how OP the power would be for mafia because however weird it is as a town role, if it's weirder as a mafia role, that adds credibility to its town-ness.  And if it's a completely broken mafia role, that is really strong evidence that it's a town role, if you presume that the role functions as stated.  Since you're "not disputing" it ...



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theprof00 said:
Look linkz. Say mafia can recruit one specific person.
One mafia can use a power during day OR night to out a persons name.
Per usual, mafia can forgo their night kill to try and recruit that person.
say they found their person last night and recruited.
Secondly we dont know what happens during the day. Perhaps using a role during the fay results
in flavor.

I see what you're getting at. What I'm saying is I can get my visitor's character name as well as the player name. This would be even more borked given your idea if I were mafia, but what I'm saying is I don't think the ability is necessarily anti-town for revealing my name. I don't know the flavor to know what significance the names have, if any.



theprof00 said:
@ wonk
Linkz is claiming that the flavor cleared him.
You say baal has no reason for questioning it? Well where is the reasoning behind the flavor clearing him.
sorry but the only 100% clearings imo are made by a cop, with his own flip confirming that hes not paranoid. Everyone else is just varying levels of certainty, and you specifically should not be treating linkz as cleared like that.

You two. Id like everyone to take a look at your affiliation with each other. You vote together. Defend each other. Believe each other 100%.
HoS both of you.

I'm indirectly claiming that. The flavor confirms my role, except for wild theories. The role confirms I'm town, though apparently not everyone is familiar with it.

You know that's not true about cops. Miller and GF counter even that.

I was wary of Wonk for rightly saying my reason for voting you. Still wasn't going to make me vote him. There was no 100% belief though: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4331078



Linkz the 108 stars are all captains.
We are all captains. Therefore knowing someones name or outing their name should make sense as town becausr its quite useless as all the captains are goodguys.
However knowing someones name is useful in seeing what kind of power they may have jeanne iirc is an investigator or has an investigating ability. This makes sense with self watcher. But not as much sense if it was a cop role.



spurgeonryan said:
Baalzamon said:
Nothing about that was in any way a revenge vote spurge. If you honestly think I'm the serial killer, then it is in your best interest to go after somebody else, because it would be in my best interest to gun down the mafia.


But serial killers care little for either side. Why would it automatically mean you were going to go for mafia? Also if you believe I am not mafia why would you vote for me? Unless you were worried about something? Lurking until the instant I picked you as a serial killer. Then Boom! You went after the "Threat" that way whatever happened the rest of the day you would have that on me. A vote is a vote, I do not think it goes away. Right?

Townies lets all think about our votes before we just go and make quick choices.

How do you explain for no kills last night if there's both mafia and a serial killer?

Votes can be Unvoted and changed whenever, until deadline or a majority is reached. Wonk is right that we can't have our votes so spread though, so don't vote for someone not likely to be close to the lead come deadline and disappear.



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Baalzamon said:
Wonktonodi said:
Baalzamon said:
I don't understand how you all can be so bullheaded. This is mafia. That flavor did NOT confirm Linkz as a townie.

I don't know why you come in every now and then insult everyone at once and don't give reasons for your conclusions.

Conclusions?  Nobody is confirmed anything.  Call it a conclusion if you wish, but I start with this attitude in a game of mafia, and still have it.  A conclusion is others acting as if Linkz is a confirmed townie, when he isn't.  Nobody has provided definitive proof in this game to show that Linkz is in fact a townie, yet people are acting as if it is just magically there.

you concluded the the flavor did not confirm links as town but gave no reasons for why you concluded that.

Although there isn't proof there is enought info for the moment to go from.  No other person has come farward saying links can't be a watcher they are. The only thing that is keeping me suspicious for the moment is the other player not coming forward and linkz not outing him. There have been 0 death so sar this game if you think mafia are so sure that there is no watcher this game that they would do this now and risk getting killed over it that's fine. I however prefer to stick to the more probable senarios.

In adition why not actually adress the people who you feel just think of links as confirmed insted of sing the general statment, because I don't recall anyone saying linkz is 100% confirmed town. Or really acting that way for that matter. Care to tell me what I must have missed?



spurgeonryan said:
I think about 5 minutes before night arrives I will mention my actual name. Not my role. Maybe that will help people figure me out some without actually knowing what is going on.

Not everyone will be around 5 minutes before night. As Noctis learned in our last round, it's not the best idea to wait until very late to reveal things.



EBWOP: I'm not saying you have to nameclaim if you'd rather not. But you should consider either doing it soon or just not at all.



Linkz the person who targeted you did so after you claimed to be a self watcher. If he didn't want to be revealed he shouldn't have challenged you to a cooking contest.
I think you should say who it was.



No, my decision is made since "Hai Yo" di not come forward. As I already explained shortly after the flavor, since their name was given as well there's no harm in me not outting them. The name confirms them.