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Baalzamon said:
Linkzmax said:
Baalzamon said:
Misuse it, and the power is then given to the mafia. It is an attempt to thwart cheating.

Seems like two ounces to me :P

So why say "manipulate the vote completely?"

(No offense to stefl) Did you see the english he used in the role PM's?  Seems to me this fits perfectly with what I described above.

Is that plural? I saw the english he used in my PM, and I thought it was quite good. The only thing unclear to me was if voting(both day and night) were one-time abilities or unlimited.



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l-5 l-4 l-3 l-2 l-1 lynch
spurgeonryan radish





theprof00 moreno
 Wonk  linkz      
radishhead
vette  spurgeon
     
wonktonodi prof          

spurgeonryan: ((Prof)), radish
prof: ((Final-Fan)), moreno, Wonk, Linkz
f-f: ((Linkz))
no lynch: ((Radish))
radish: vette, ((prof)), spurgeon
wonk: prof

the day ends in ~16 hours

Currently the day would end in a no lynch

@ Baalz - no offense taken^^ I know my english sucks, but it is still considered good in my country^^ (and that IS a sad thing)



Tell me why you voted me then.
And tell me why instead of investigating wonk like you wanted you said to investigate vette and baal.



I'll [repeat] why I voted you and why I changed my mind on Wonk when you tell me why you changed yours on radish and who's missing on your list of 5 suspects. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4330112 or did you mean 4?



I meant 4.
Plus i looked at the players and came up with this:
Vette saved me, so hes not mafia.
ff went after me too hard and hes usually more cautious as scum.
baal has sided with me on things that are threatening to lynch me.
Spurge seems to genuine
Mg also saved my buttwith his extension though hes my suspect on the fence.

Of those left its moreno you radiah wonfence, but im leañing toward moreno not being scum



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Radish wasnt on the list previously but he was more of an if and it appeared that i cleared him too hastily.



theprof00 said:
1) how does that relate back to me saying that ff didnt get a vote? I understand that you think not discussing is good for mafia but how did my interaction with ff say what you say it does?

2) and dod either of those things happen? I saw several people disagree with your vote. What do you conclude sherlock?

3) linkz doesnt need any reason to lynch a townie, you were going to unvote but prefer a lynch... on someone you were going to unvote.

unvote
Vote wonk



Evidence: metagaming as a lynch reason.
Prefering to lynch someone you claim that you wanted to unvote.
Not questionong a reasonless vote on someone you were going to unvote.
Linkz saying he was sure youre scum ( i agree! )

1. Just spreading a message that some people in the town seem to still believe.

2. Did you unvoted spurge when your gambit failed?  Although it didn't work I still saw a lynch of you better than none.

3. You weren't lynched so don't act like you are a confirmed townie.



So since I think it would be a good idea for us a town to discuss who we should NIV. I propose we all put out out top 3 choices and see if there is much of a consensus.

My top three
Prof (if not lynched)
FF
Spurgeonryan



theprof00 said:
I meant 4.
Plus i looked at the players and came up with this:
Vette saved me, so hes not mafia.
ff went after me too hard and hes usually more cautious as scum.
baal has sided with me on things that are threatening to lynch me.
Spurge seems to genuine
Mg also saved my buttwith his extension though hes my suspect on the fence.

Of those left its moreno you radiah wonfence, but im leañing toward moreno not being scum

So what changed since http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329740 to change your mind about moreno? Spurge posted twice since then, http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329936 and http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329996. I can see the second as genuine since it's a misunderstanding of "revenge vote" but you think the first post is honesty when his conversation with me about your ploy went:

Me "you've been investigated and were found guilty. How do you explain that?"
Spurg "Just in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Me "
So by wrong place at the wrong time you mean you got unlucky in being assigned mafia and getting caught already?"
Spurg "
I don't think so. I do like to practice though!"

This is someone who didn't or pretended not to know what being mafia even meant, but NOW that he's so insightful about the mind of a mafiosi he seems innocent?

Why don't I get any mention for initiating the time extension? Or Wonk for seconding it?

Also, where's Noc this time around?

 

Though as promised I will repeat my reasons for voting you. I want a lynch more than I want no lynch and yours was the only option given the time. Now I wouldn't just throw anyone to the gallows, but several things you've said could answer some questions definitively. Yes, saying FF has no vote as mafia could prolong the ruse; however, that doesn't clear the statement from being a possible slip.

I could easily tear through every post for a case, but I've learned people barely read those. Besides, my vote is more of a placeholder until someone not radish(or Wonk for that matter) is the alternative. I'm leaning scum, but I'm bothered by the fact that you're usually good to have around. I'll give you at least one new bit so you know I'm not just blowing smoke: Your initial disdain for discussion on NIVs would fit your scum play perfectly if you're true aim is to have townies go against you so that your team can gain additional information.



Oh and my change on Wonk. His general behavior and tone while I was gone the other day. It's as if I was able to keep posting, saying things that I don't believe he would consider from a mafia mindstate.