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theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
For my pool of two for the NIV prof should be one option since he just avoided a lynch
the other that I am leaning towards is one of the new guys who is lurking

The speed with with you answer this question is going to have everything to do with how you are perceived by everyone for the rest of the game.

You said you had other reasons for voting me.

What are they?

and immediately you went offline.

add wonk to my suspect pool.



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Final-Fan said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

I agree on the discussion but we shouldn't made our vote public because IMO that could be easily manipulated by the scums.

And if I am reading the rules right. The investigator has the freedom to choose if there's a draw?
So if that is the case, I think we should give that honor or privilege to the investigator so at least he will have the freedom to choose who is going to be investigated and we shouldn't take that power away form the investigator.

I think I am seeing what Prof and Vette are trying to say. What if the investigator thinks that a certain person is scum and he wants him to be investigated and we chose another person to be investigated he will be forced to investigate that certain person. What if that certain turns out to be a town and the person he wants to investigated turns out to be a scum so just like I said from the 2nd paragraph we shouldn't take that away from the investigator.

Anyways FoS on metalgear for even suggesting that we should make our vote public.

How do you propose we should arrange a tie investigation vote if the mafia might get votes? 

If NOBODY votes, then it would be tied at 0.  But if the investigator was forced to investigate, only he would know.  So we take a risk of giving all the investigations to mafia, or some random jerk ruining the plan, by trying to give them to the cop. 

And seriously, I don't know why you all hate the idea of trying to choose the investigation target collectively, as opposed to leaving all the power in one player's hands, for good OR ILL.  It's not guaranteed the cop is a genius experienced player, he could be spurgeonryan for all we know. 

This post goes out to vetteman too. 

It's very tricky and TBH I really don't how we can do that if Mafia could vote aswell.

I am not totally against it. It's just that I want the investigator to have the freedom to choose because it's always good to have an option to choose freely and also taking to account what have other's have said that's why I am very very open to a discussion. Anyway, It is a moot point already because just like you said the investigator is the only person who will have that knowledge aside from the mod ofcourse.



theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
For my pool of two for the NIV prof should be one option since he just avoided a lynch
the other that I am leaning towards is one of the new guys who is lurking

The speed with with you answer this question is going to have everything to do with how you are perceived by everyone for the rest of the game.

You said you had other reasons for voting me.

What are they?


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4329148

so how do you judge the speed if it was answered 12 hour before you said this? :P



Back when you were claiming to be cop you told FF he had no vote because he was scum. Although it could be you making a mistake as town. I see it more likely to be you trying to get the town to think that we shouldn't discuss who we want investigated.

Another reason was you had only one more vote than other players. I wanted there to be a more clear lead so I would take 2 vote/unvotes to make a tie.

And another was to see if anyone would bandwagon after my vote. Although I got a different result. FF unvoting you in a hurry.

I see, sorry about that then.
Let me respond to those:
1) How does the first one make sense? I'm trying to get town to not discuss by saying that FF didn't get a vote because he's mafia?
2) You wanted me to have more of a clear lead. How is that a reason for voting? That's like saying "why did you want X voted" - "because I wanted him lynched". That's not reasoning, that' s a goal.
3) You wanted to see if anyone would bandwagon. Typically, people use this reasoning in order to draw out scum votes, not to lynch the person. Yet you want me lynched? This comes off as hypocritical. Secondly, Linkz voted for me, and you haven't said anything at all about that.



I have a feeling that mafia are able to do even more than simply vote. I think they are able to completely manipulate the investigation.



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theprof00 said:
I have a feeling that mafia are able to do even more than simply vote. I think they are able to completely manipulate the investigation.

What makes you think that? I would say that it would be unfair if they have even more power over investigations that we don't know about.



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theprof00 said:
Back when you were claiming to be cop you told FF he had no vote because he was scum. Although it could be you making a mistake as town. I see it more likely to be you trying to get the town to think that we shouldn't discuss who we want investigated.

Another reason was you had only one more vote than other players. I wanted there to be a more clear lead so I would take 2 vote/unvotes to make a tie.

And another was to see if anyone would bandwagon after my vote. Although I got a different result. FF unvoting you in a hurry.

I see, sorry about that then.
Let me respond to those:
1) How does the first one make sense? I'm trying to get town to not discuss by saying that FF didn't get a vote because he's mafia?
2) You wanted me to have more of a clear lead. How is that a reason for voting? That's like saying "why did you want X voted" - "because I wanted him lynched". That's not reasoning, that' s a goal.
3) You wanted to see if anyone would bandwagon. Typically, people use this reasoning in order to draw out scum votes, not to lynch the person. Yet you want me lynched? This comes off as hypocritical. Secondly, Linkz voted for me, and you haven't said anything at all about that.


1.If you are mafia you would prefer the town to not discuss who to be investigated. Since that would give your team more control.

2. Having a clear lead is not the same as wanting YOUR lynch. I would get people to say if they do not want your lynch or get others to talk up those they voted for. It's not like you were out trying to get people to vote the way you did.

3. Yes it is often used to draw out scum votes. I was highly considering unvoting you after that didn't work but if I did that then I might as well have not voted the time extension and voted no lynch like Radish. I want a lynch today over a no lynch. As for linkz vote although he didn't give much reason for it, he really doesn't need any reason other than wanting there to be a lynch today over a no lynch.



I honestly don't understand people's reasoning in day 1 in this game. I know no way to explain it other than just plain stupid.

There's a reason I haven't been posting. I deem it to be a waste of my time.



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spurgeonryan said:
radishhead said:
I don't understand why I'm being voted for putting up a no lynch - Ididn't realise that the time was nearly up, and I'd vote for a time extension now if it wasn't already active. I'm only saying no lynch because I don't agree with the reasoning behind prof's lynch - if you are all so against a no lynch on day 1, then I'll vote for who I really want to vote for, for reasons I said earlier

unvote: no lynch
vote: Spurgeon

Although after Linkz's strange vote very soon to the end of the day, it might be worth investigating him tonight - I would suggest Vette, but his vote on me was accompanied by a time limit, which gives more time to discuss


When push comes to shove only Mafia would have cracked like you did just now under the pressure. To save your own skin you changed your mind, made excuses and made a decision all in one post. You have revealed yourself.

Vote: Radish

Well he has reasons for his vote on you.  

Your vote is kinda surprising as it comes off as both a revenge vote and a bandwagon vote hidden in what you are trying to pass off as a normal vote catching scum.   

You have a couple people that have you on their suspicion list, and this vote isnt going to help matters. And it just added you to my list



Baalzamon said:
I honestly don't understand people's reasoning in day 1 in this game. I know no way to explain it other than just plain stupid.

There's a reason I haven't been posting. I deem it to be a waste of my time.


Well maybe a "genius" like yourself can grace us with a better understanding of whats going on then.  Maybe help get the town pointed in the right direction instead of just being insulting about it.  

Otherwise, you are right, you posting is a waste of time