So who do you think should be investigated tonight?

1. What if we have him investigate town,  when his personal choice actually ends up scum?

2. You are assuming we have one, and what if he is who gets investigated.....  Most times a doctor can't protect themselves

3. Maybe I am being naive about this,  but why are you assuming that the Mafia can vote?   Cause I see no reason to assume this.

4.Dont do this already with normal discussions,  its part of our job as town to limit the field for the cop to have worthy investigations.

5. Thank you,  I will still never understand why we continue to start on a weekend..........

So if we investigate scum them theres a chance that doc will protect him resulting in a complete waste.
this isnt any sifferent from a normal game but does give a benefit for scum being able to go after the rest of the town.
the question is whether the pros of investigating scum outweigh the con of wasted doc and free kill.
Id say that early on it does, but that later on it doesnt. So maybe we should make it a rule that we discuss the vote until we catch one or two, given that mafia have much less influence the less members they have thereby negating the drawbacks, whay do you think

Yeah I think on this first day at least a public vote would be fine. Losing the investigatory target is not going to be a much worse prospect than losing someone of the mafia's choice. And like you said the doc could protect anyway.

And I'll

Unvote prof because Wonk's vote was just dumb so I'm counterbalancing it.

Spurgeonryan is being very aggressive and paranoid and flat out weird, but I don't know whether to attribute it to being an overzealous townie or a scum who's bad at pretending to scumhunt.

I think you are acting like the doc has to follow the same rules of the investigator and that makes no sense. That seems like a bad logic scare tactic to get the town to give up its power.

In the early days when there are no clear people that the town would want to investigate the mafia could very easily choose whomever they want to scanned and kill him as well. 

While if we as a town come up with someone who should be investigated we are limiting the scum choice instead of giving them even more freedom.

1. From the rules in the OP the only time the cop gets a choice is when it would be to break a tie.

2. Those are things known only by the mod and possibly by a doc. The possibility of a doc getting investigated doesn't increase if there is discussion.

3. from the OP note the bolded. Although we don't know for sure I think it would be foolish to assume they don't.

Night Investigation Vote:

- You are allowed to not cast a vote. If you don't want to vote, write my a PM stating that.
- A Draw will give the investigator the posibility to choose his target freely, between the persons who got the most votes
- You are not allowed to cast your vote publically, you have to PM me for it to take effect
- You are not allowed to misuse the mechanic behind it, you may ask for people to vote for a person, but not force them
- You are not allowed to force anyone to claim who they nighttime voted for
- Missusing the nighttime investigation vote may result in losing the ability to vote, the investigator losing his investigative Ability or Mafia manipulating the vote completely

General rules of VGC Mafia also apply to this game.

4. It's a little different in the sence that we as a town control who gets investigated. So it would not just be our job to limit the field but to ultimatly decide. I brough up 2 since that means scum would have even more difficulty takeing out the one who gets investigated.

5. Try modding sometime the initial startup of the game can take a very long time so the games start when the mod can put all the time in. For most people that's a weekend.

I don't think you've addressed my point even once, Wonk.
If a cop is forced to investigate someone, and that person is not mafia, what will the mafia most likely do?
What will the doc most likely do?
The obvious is that doc should protect that person, so we can protect a highly valuable confirmed role.
That leaves mafia to go after someone who is NOT the investigation target, and has free reign over who to kill without worrying about the doc.
Now, if the doc wants to play the WIFOM game with the mafia and protect someone in the town, that's the doc's decision.
All I'm saying is that when I'm mafia, I like to go after people who are likely to be copped, because the more people that are cleared later on, the more difficult the game becomes. I would rather mafia not have a shot at this player.

This is why I proposed discussion. I have no idea why you would vote for me over that.
I submitted my thoughts, even played devil's advocate, and proposed discussion.
The fact is, you are meta-gaming, which is a much better scum indication than most.

Honestly, I think we should just make our night investigation votes public, so that at least we have control over whose being investigated. Having our votes scattered would just give more power to mafia then they need.

1. The point still stands though, if a cop wanted to investigate someone, who eventually turns up mafia, but everyone votes to investigate someone else who turns up town.  You proposed a what if situation,  I did as well just the opposite, scenario.  What ifs arent a good thing to base this on.

2. Never said it would,  ws just making the point that if he was who we asked to have investigated, chances are we lose him right away.

3. Well I cant say I am happy to read that.  But I now have to agree that it is safe to assume that.  Unfortunately now it seems we have to collaborate on who to send votes for, as the Mafia would have possibly 3 votes.  they can swing the vote in any direction they want......   nothing like being handcuffed by the rules.....

4. I guess.....  All that really is changing is we just have to focus, and now document in game, on 2 candidates other than the one that gets lynched......  If we go with the 2 choices method.  

5. I barely have enough time to play the game.  But your statement would have more validity if the games started on Sunday or Monday,  But this game started on Friday, before the weekend......