bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:
HappySqurriel said:
bannedagain said:
HappySqurriel said:
Since we're on the topic of the Gini coefficient the question that must be asked is "Is there anything inherently wrong with living in a society with unequal incomes?"
Is there something wrong with an individual earning more income in the prime of their career than someone who is just starting out? Is there a problem with someone who is in a more senior position and has substantially more responsibility earning a better income? Is it unfair for someone who made the sacrifice and put in the effort to develop more in demand skills be rewarded for their efforts?
Obviously, the answer is no ...
Where inequality becomes a problem is when it comes as the result of a corrupt and unfair system, but then what needs to be battled is the corruption not the inequality.
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Thom Hartmann had a great segment on that a while back. Here it is. I think you would find it interesting.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=thom+hartmann+social+inequality&view=detail&mid=2D9527356151AD4598DE2D9527356151AD4598DE&first=0&FORM=LKVR11
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Wow, who could have a problem with poorly reasoned propaganda that doesn't understand the difference between correlation and causation?
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maybe you took it out of context. Just a thought. The point was clear in the graphs. So take what you want. I remember why I don't like this site, people here are so far up there own ass.
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Here is a legitamite question. Have you ever taken a class in corelation and causation. If you have... it's likely you'd understand Happysquirrels point. Either way if you take some classes in sociology you'll need to take one eventually to get a degree, specifically to avoid the kind of mistakes in logic your making currently... and likely will look back a little ashamed about comments like the above.
If you can't debate in a sceintific way and know how to credibly apply statistics, you probably shouldn't be debating politics on policy specifics and instead focus on loose things you would like to see happen.
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The point of social ineguality is what I brought up. This was the point I was making. Let me fill you in on who and what I came out of. I lived near chicago broke and poor. So I know what it's like to steal because your starving. I also know what it's like to live in my car while attending high school, Sometimes sleeping at friends and slipping in shower after school at different people's houses.
So the point I was getting to is until you are desperate will you know what and where you might end up. When I was young I was involved in a gang, My friend ended up shooting someone and lucky at the age of 12 I decided it was a bunch of BS and got out. I worked for everything I got. I own my own production company and am a Class A CDL driver. For me to just get to where I'm at was hell. America is a place of dreams and it's people or used to be . Now It's profit, profit, profit, profit. Some things are more important than profit, LIke jesus shit. Which I'm not a christain but do agree with his Ideals. GO to canada, it's people are taking care of, happier and there crime rate is way down. Go to detroit and then cross the bridge into canada, they give a sh-t about there people. Yes they have problems but not how bad we have made it for our people. However I put up a clip that shows statistics and he pulls some negative shit right off the bat but when you get pampered like most of you have on this site, I can understand.
I bought my xbox as well as the 55" samsung I play on. I don't have mommy to pay a bill if it gets late. I don't have the background that so many of you take for granted. I have failed and failed hard. Lucky I got friends that give a whole lot of shit about me or I would be F'ed. It shouldn't be that bad to where you work your arse off and that isn't enough. That was america's promise years back, not anymore. How much money is enough, there is never enough and thats why we need to regulate and tax. Greed never dies, I know I watched bad sh-t happen over greed. But all you with all your life experience on the VGCHARTZ got it all figured out even though most of you have never really seen suffering. Once you really do and live it, come talk politics with me. You don't cut social programs and then give to the rich, thats f'ed and if you can't understand, Your souless and should maybe be the one to look in the mirror or the toilet after a big sh-t.
Peace.
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So again you resort to emotions vs rationality. Which generally is the problem.
You lived through some tough times, it sucks. Yet your dwelling on it, and blaming it on those that had more then you when you were a kid... without actually bothering to look at the REAL causes of your problem. In attempting to fix a problem you care about, you instead are making it worse by focusing on issues that aren't the problem.
To use another example... who knows more about cancer. Someone who survivided it, or someone who has studied cancer like a doctor?
Money is NOT a zero sum game.
Where i'm from and Canada, the people aren't different at all. You cross the border, and you don't notice a difference, outside of the popularity of hockey in anycase.
You act as if there aren't poor in canada, yet it sounds like you've been there before? Have you never walked the streets and seen the homeless, and shelters in canada, or been in a poor neighberhood in canda? It's no different... the worse areas in canada are just like the worst areas in the US.
If you want to REALLY find out how to help prevnet poverty you've got to ask yourself some questions about why you were poor, what was your family life like, why didn't your parents didn't have money (if your parents were around). Furthermore, why you got out of it. You owned your own company for a while, how many people can say that?
Additionally a question would be why you didn't make full use of the social programs we have available. Afterall you shouldn't have to live out of your car to go to highschool... like literally, if you read any report on homelessness you find that chronic homelessness tends to only inflict those who refuse or ignroant of homeless services and that bed utilization is well below 100%.
Also... no one is talking about cutting social programs to give money to the rich? I mean if your talking about the Wallstreet bailouts...(which being OWS i'd think you would be) it's worth noting that it was largely a democrat endevor, that was foiled by republicans until the democrats got on them and forced them to vote for it through public appeal.
Regardless though. Noone is saying there aren't problems. Just the solution to those problems are a LOT different then you think... and should be focused on prevnetion... and for those who need it, rather then a giant web of government handout programs that wastes billions in administration and is so confusing that nobody actually fully knows all of the things they qualify for and can get.... we should have something instituted like a Negative Income Tax.
Remove all the social welfare plans we have now, and simply put in a system that says "If you make less then the povery line the government will pay you X Amount of money."
The IRS already keeps track of our Medicaire and medicaid stuff by directly taking it out of our checks, so the government knows what we make week to week.