How does anyone oppose someone who has an unclear voice?  It is interesting that you end up doing a buffet of contradictory messages in what looks like a hope that one stick that it is no one agrees with them, they don't have a clear message, or that some extremists have taken over their voice, like poof it is gone.

Also, is that reply supposed to suddenly dismiss what Fred Luntz said to GOP Governors?  He actually said it.  Do you think he didn't say it?

If you want to consider what was said that Frank said as some sort of concocted fiction, well, then you can look at other sources that reference the same thing:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/196485-jindal-occupy-protesters-articulating-a-genuine-frustration-from-hardworking-americans

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gop-governors-say-obama-will-lose-in-2012-if-republicans-dont-botch-tax-wall-street-issues/2011/12/01/gIQAh4JVFO_story.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/12/02/luntz_capitulates_to_the_left_advises_that_capitalism_is_a_dirty_word

Will you believe it now that Rush Limbaugh said it?  Or do you consider Rush too liberal of a source to be trusted also?  If they haven't had a lasting impact, do you think Luntz would be talking like this?

Last week I was reading a poll from USA Today/Gallup that indicated that 56% of Americans neither support or oppose OWS, 31% oppose OWS and 13% support it ...

After months of unprecedented, favourably biased, coverage by the media I doubt you could consider this a success.

Is the idea of a movement to get people to like it, or to shift the politcal debate and affect change the way it wants?  Ask about what the issues are being discussed and if they connect with a movement or not.  

Also, here is a Harris poll being touted by them with information on support:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/29/4086111/one-third-of-americans-support.html

That poll surveyed more than the USA poll you mentioned, which is from roughly the same time period, give a week or so:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-11-21/occupy-wall-street-poll/51338920/1

 Only the ignorant don't know what the 99% are protesting.  Here are what occupiers are standing for.

End Corporate personhood

Re-instate Glass Steagal.

End bush or even Reagan Tax cuts.

Rebuild Infrastructure - Thats why they march ont he bridges that are sh-t.

Put a steed tax on high frequency trading to stop algorithm programs that cheat on wall st. 

END Free trade - Specially if the country has human rights or workers rights abuse. You can't compete with workers that get beat or raped to bring up productivity.

Re-instate the anti sherman act. Which reagan did away with and that would have stopped the banks from being to big.

Here this video should tell you what is been pushed by them and easy to understand since you don't get what they want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wK1MOMKZ8BI

OVer 300 Economists stand with the occupy movement http://front.moveon.org/300-economists-who-stand-with-occupywallstreet/

WHy we occupy and yes I have - http://front.moveon.org/why-occupy-in-a-beautiful-3-minute-clip/

A lot of those points are simplistic ^^
Its the talking points of liberal arts students at local colleges frankly.

Tell me if the US creates a financial transaction tax, yet Australia, Canada, other OECD countries and the developing world do not have it, which banking sectors will prosper? No need for a tax, just regulate the transactions, as simple as that...


As I said if the issue was all about the banks being too big, Canada should be in the worst fiscal situation in the entire world.

All of you need, are rules and regulations to control banks. So all this debate about making the banks smaller is pointless.
You need strong govt regulations that requires higher capital ratio's. As simple as that and no loopholes to such requirements.

When it comes to taxes, the US govt can easily collect more taxes by ending Bush era tax cuts and closing loopholes on Corporate taxes.

For example, many other Western Countries have lower corporate tax rates then the US, however they collect more Corporate taxes (as a percentage of the total revenues) compared to the US. Why???
No silly loopholes.


However the Occupy movement is dead in Canada and frankly is fading away fast.

As angry as people are, they are not going to trust and belief in a leaderless, aimless group that has group assemblies that resemble grade school student council meetings.

Also the Occupy movement over the entire 2-3 months did not once list such demands in public at all, only on thier websites.
So, to come here on a message board and declare that "Oh the OWS is great because it stood for all these things", yet such topics were not brought up by leaders of the movement (as there were none). They were more concerned about their camps rather then projecting these ideas.

And yet i've heard plenty of people protesting other things largely completely different, like removal of the fed.

If that's what your going with though it's fine... though pretty misofrmed in a lot of areas... espiecally if your goal is a better econonomy.

1) End Corporate Personhood.  Kinda impossible unless you want to repeal the first ammenedment.

2) Glass Steagal was repealed under the "Financial Modernization Act" with widespread bipartisan support because it was an overly restrictive and stupid law that put our banks WAY behind the banks of basically every other country in the world.  I mean, maybe you haven't been paying attention but this thing passed called the "Volcker Rule".   Which is like a mini "glass stegal" but even then there is huge worry it will greatly hurt the economy vs europe, once europe settles it's government spending problems.

3) End the Bush and Reagan tax cuts.   Bush cuts?  Might help the deficit, might also cause GDP growth to stutter for a couple years... depends how permamnetn people were expecting them to be.  Reagan "cuts".  That's just a polite way to say tax raise at this point... and that would definitly send us into a double dip.

4)  Infrastructure building on a national level is largely pointless and stupid as you end up with countless "bridges to nowhere"... hell even state governments have a hard time doing it.  Rebuilding infrastructure is fine, but you've got to find a lot better way of doing it then the way that's being used now.

5) Why?  High frequency trading means that when you want to sell for 34.54 you sell for 34.54.  Rather then 32.10 because your human on the floor stockbroker was too slow/had to many clients/wasn't heard.  Or that you definitly get the sale you want and the price you want because it's done immediatly. 

Are you confusing them with flash orders or something?

6) I'm not sure why you think this would help the economy.  As for the beating and raping parts.  Which countries are you talking about that we have FTA with.  Not that I don't believe you, i'm just curious.

Though I would note that the vast majority of people at sweatshops and the like are there by choice just like any other job.  You've got to ask yourself what happens to those people when the money dries up... and it isn't like here where the government gets your back for the nessessities.  It's just like the when we had the big anti-child labor campaigns... we greatly lowered child labor in some developing nations.  At the price of greatly increasing child mortality rate, because the large amount of orphans and people with noone to look after them had no way to get what they needed to survive.

7)  The anti-sherman act is still on the books... and still being enforced?  See the recent block of the AT&T/T-mobile move by the government?

I will end this now because of your thought of corporations being people. They are not and where born in a lawyers office. Already clear to see we will not see eye to eye.. Corporations own our politicians because of this ruling. It has nothing to do with the first amendment. SO peace.

so wha are they, robots?

This is one of those "poorly informed" things... which makes your "poorly informed" statements hilarious.

Corporate Personhood was decided by the Supreme Court.  Not me... additionally, i'm guessing you've never actually voted in an election before?   Corporate Personhood wasn't ruled on concretely until 2007.

So you know... well after all the "companys own politicians" talk.

No amount of protesting can change a constitutional ammendment... sorta the whole point of a constitutional ammendment.

Furthermore, corporate personhood was ruled in favor of unions and corporations not because a union is a person but because a union (or coporation) is a collecetion of people and one's rights shouldn't be curtailed soley because they have joined a group.

For example, 12 people talking about why Obama is great, is no less valid or against people rights then 1 person and should be able to spend just as much as 12 individuals.

Corporations are not people.  They are artifically created entities whose structure is defined by law, that enables the owners to not be liable for the things they own do.  If they were people, then they could vote, and get arrested and go to jail when they do wrong.  And in this structure, when they collectively do evil, no single person gets singled out and dealt with.  You can have a corporation end up doing things that harm and kill people, that if an individual did it, they would go to jail, but with a corporation, no one does.  In other legal structures, if an entity owners had did something wrong, the owner would be fined, go to jail for negliegence.  This is not the case with corporations, particularly publically traded ones.

And you have other things that don't happen with individuals.  Individuals die.  When they die, and are the holder of IP, the IP goes into public domain. Because corporations hold the rights to IP, they never die and the intellectual property never goes into the public domain.

I also haven't seen a corporation eat, fall in love, get married, use a toilet, have to go to the hospital, send their kids to school or anything.  Exactly what DO corporations do that is human?