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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Wii U vs PS4 vs Xbox One FULL SPECS (January 24, 2014)

Scoobes on 06 November 2012
drkohler said:
Sirius87 said:


But can't AMD modify the memory controller? Without doing that of course there won't be a higher bandwidth possible. But as GPUs all the time use different bus width I thought that changing some parts will also be possible in the APU.

Of course AMD can change things. Makes the chips more complex and bigger (translation: a lot more expensive). The point, however, is not to design a console with world-record-memory throughput, the point is get to 1080p/60Hz as cheap as possible.

There is a point, though, when your cache controller outfoxes your memory bandwidth (basically meaning all the data required by the CPU is in the cache, no matter how wide your memory controller shuffles data). On the PC, that bus size is apparently 128bit. Then you can play with more channels.. but it gets more expensive. With APU, things get even more complex as the bus width is doubled inside the chip for the GPu part. (Still APU was not a good GPU idea for a console that strives for high graphics performance).

My understanding was that AMD were going to up the supported DDR3 RAM to 2133MHz for the Kaveri line of APUs so development on a PS4 version that supported this RAM would be to both AMDs and Sony's benefit (in terms of keeping costs down).

I still think they'll use a next gen APU with a 77xx in crossfire rather then just an APU though.




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DanneSandin on 07 November 2012
z101 said:
DanneSandin said:
Man, I don't understand jack shit of any of these few days conversations!! All I'm interested is how much better will PS720 be in regards of PS320 and WiiU :P


According to the know Specs:

Wii U = 2-3 PS360.

PS4 = 3-4 PS360 (only if it gets a second GPU, only with APU10 1-2 PS360).

Xbox720 = 1-4 PS360 (the data is very vague)

Thanks for putting it in percpective for me =D



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DanneSandin on 07 November 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
DanneSandin said:
Man, I don't understand jack shit of any of these few days conversations!! All I'm interested is how much better will PS720 be in regards of PS320 and WiiU :P

My prediction is 6-9x PS360

That is 2-3x Wii U

Thanks :D Makes it much easier to understand xD



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drkohler on 07 November 2012
Viper1 said:
drkohler said:

You are leaving out a few key facts here. For example, the WiiU uses an average of 40W according to Nintendo. That translates into a clock rate for the CPU in the 2.2-2.4GHz region. There are other hints like the fact that some (launch) software is NOT running at 1080p, indicating some CPU starvation. So CPU wise, the performance of the WiiU would only be around 60-80% of a PS3/XBox. However, the heavily modified GPU (I don't think there is any similarity left to the standard ATI 4xxx GPU) makes good for that so WiiUperformance (Whichever way you define "performance")  is around 130% of the PS3/XBox as I explained in a precious post. Also my previous estimates for PS4/XBoxNext are still reasonable, based on what we know at this time (and there are enough hints for the XBoxNext). SImply forget that 4-? times more powerful (again the meaning of "power" should actually be defined).

Are you using just clock rates as the means to surmise performance against the Cell and Xenon?

Since we don't know what really is inside a WiiU, all we can estimate is based on known facts like 40W power, 45nm design technology, three cores - and compare this with known processors. There is no magic involved here that would suddenly make a 45nm design processor "run like hell" with (probably less) than 20W to burn.

 

 

Weird. Just installed Win8 on my newly assembled PC and I can no longer logout on the site...



Sirius87 on 08 November 2012
drkohler said:
Viper1 said:
drkohler said:

You are leaving out a few key facts here. For example, the WiiU uses an average of 40W according to Nintendo. That translates into a clock rate for the CPU in the 2.2-2.4GHz region. There are other hints like the fact that some (launch) software is NOT running at 1080p, indicating some CPU starvation. So CPU wise, the performance of the WiiU would only be around 60-80% of a PS3/XBox. However, the heavily modified GPU (I don't think there is any similarity left to the standard ATI 4xxx GPU) makes good for that so WiiUperformance (Whichever way you define "performance")  is around 130% of the PS3/XBox as I explained in a precious post. Also my previous estimates for PS4/XBoxNext are still reasonable, based on what we know at this time (and there are enough hints for the XBoxNext). SImply forget that 4-? times more powerful (again the meaning of "power" should actually be defined).

Are you using just clock rates as the means to surmise performance against the Cell and Xenon?

Since we don't know what really is inside a WiiU, all we can estimate is based on known facts like 40W power, 45nm design technology, three cores - and compare this with known processors. There is no magic involved here that would suddenly make a 45nm design processor "run like hell" with (probably less) than 20W to burn.

 

 

Weird. Just installed Win8 on my newly assembled PC and I can no longer logout on the site...

I think you just forgot to mention it: We also now the size of the chips (how much of the GPU one exactly is due to edram remains to be seen), and together with the design technology we can guesstimate the number of transistors (or compare it with chipsize/(design technology)^2-values of other CPUs directly). Gives a better estimate than just basing it on power and design technology (a really big chip could run at a really low voltage and clockrate using less power, while of course not being cost efficient).

My notebook also uses Windows 8 since a few days (I ran out oft W7 licenses since MSDNAA changed there rules while becoming Dreamspark). I've to check if I've the same problem. edit: no, works fine for me.



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HoloDust on 08 November 2012
DanneSandin said:

Thanks for putting it in percpective for me =D


Some more perspective, if you don't mind ;)

  Pixel(GP/s)
 Texel(GT/s) GFLOPS
Xbox 360 4.0 8.0 240.0
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 4.8 14.4 576.0
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 6.4 12.8 512.0
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 9.6 19.2 768.0
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 6.1 18.2 583.7
A10-5700 + 6670 12.5 37.4 1351.7
A10-5700 + 7770 22.1 58.2 1863.7
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only)
 33.6 134.4 4300.0

 

Compared to Xbox 360 Pixel Texel GFLOPS
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 1.2 1.8 2.4
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 1.6 1.6 2.1
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 2.4 2.4 3.2
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 1.5 2.3 2.4
A10-5700 + 6670 3.1 4.7 5.6
A10-5700 + 7770 5.5 7.3 7.8
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only) 8.4 16.8 17.9

 

Honestly, my opinion is that thinking that PS4 will rely solely on GPU inside of its APU is ...well, bit silly. For PS4 I would probably bet on A10 + 7770 combo, for Xbox720 - who knows, they can afford to put inside whatever they like.



DanneSandin on 08 November 2012
HoloDust said:
DanneSandin said:

Thanks for putting it in percpective for me =D


Some more perspective, if you don't mind ;)

  Pixel(GP/s)
 Texel(GT/s) GFLOPS
Xbox 360 4.0 8.0 240.0
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 4.8 14.4 576.0
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 6.4 12.8 512.0
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 9.6 19.2 768.0
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 6.1 18.2 583.7
A10-5700 + 6670 12.5 37.4 1351.7
A10-5700 + 7770 22.1 58.2 1863.7
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only)
 33.6 134.4 4300.0

 

Compared to Xbox 360 Pixel Texel GFLOPS
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 1.2 1.8 2.4
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 1.6 1.6 2.1
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 2.4 2.4 3.2
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 1.5 2.3 2.4
A10-5700 + 6670 3.1 4.7 5.6
A10-5700 + 7770 5.5 7.3 7.8
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only) 8.4 16.8 17.9

 

Honestly, my opinion is that thinking that PS4 will rely solely on GPU inside of its APU is ...well, bit silly. For PS4 I would probably bet on A10 + 7770 combo, for Xbox720 - who knows, they can afford to put inside whatever they like.

I don't mind at all! That's really a great way of showing the differences!! Very nicely put =D



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Alby_da_Wolf on 09 November 2012
HoloDust said:
DanneSandin said:

Thanks for putting it in percpective for me =D


Some more perspective, if you don't mind ;)

  Pixel(GP/s)
 Texel(GT/s) GFLOPS
Xbox 360 4.0 8.0 240.0
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 4.8 14.4 576.0
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 6.4 12.8 512.0
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 9.6 19.2 768.0
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 6.1 18.2 583.7
A10-5700 + 6670 12.5 37.4 1351.7
A10-5700 + 7770 22.1 58.2 1863.7
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only)
 33.6 134.4 4300.0

 

Compared to Xbox 360 Pixel Texel GFLOPS
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 1.2 1.8 2.4
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 1.6 1.6 2.1
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 2.4 2.4 3.2
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 1.5 2.3 2.4
A10-5700 + 6670 3.1 4.7 5.6
A10-5700 + 7770 5.5 7.3 7.8
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only) 8.4 16.8 17.9

 

Honestly, my opinion is that thinking that PS4 will rely solely on GPU inside of its APU is ...well, bit silly. For PS4 I would probably bet on A10 + 7770 combo, for Xbox720 - who knows, they can afford to put inside whatever they like.

Thanx, useful table! I guess that even the lowest possible specs will be good enough for most people.



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DanneSandin on 09 November 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
HoloDust said:
DanneSandin said:

Thanks for putting it in percpective for me =D


Some more perspective, if you don't mind ;)

  Pixel(GP/s)
 Texel(GT/s) GFLOPS
Xbox 360 4.0 8.0 240.0
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 4.8 14.4 576.0
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 6.4 12.8 512.0
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 9.6 19.2 768.0
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 6.1 18.2 583.7
A10-5700 + 6670 12.5 37.4 1351.7
A10-5700 + 7770 22.1 58.2 1863.7
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only)
 33.6 134.4 4300.0

 

Compared to Xbox 360 Pixel Texel GFLOPS
WiiU (E6760 rumour) 1.2 1.8 2.4
WiiU (RV740@400 speculation) 1.6 1.6 2.1
WiiU (RV740@600 speculation) 2.4 2.4 3.2
A10-5700 (7660D@760) 1.5 2.3 2.4
A10-5700 + 6670 3.1 4.7 5.6
A10-5700 + 7770 5.5 7.3 7.8
7970 GHz Edition (for reference only) 8.4 16.8 17.9

 

Honestly, my opinion is that thinking that PS4 will rely solely on GPU inside of its APU is ...well, bit silly. For PS4 I would probably bet on A10 + 7770 combo, for Xbox720 - who knows, they can afford to put inside whatever they like.

Thanx, useful table! I guess that even the lowest possible specs will be good enough for most people.

It is, isn't it?! I thought it was fantastic =)



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HoloDust on 09 November 2012

Why, thanks guys :)

I'll keep adding entries if new rumours appear.