I can list at least 20 titles in PS3 native 1080p@60fps (1920x1080)... Wipeout HD and Super Stardust HD are two of them.

There were 34 in the beyond3D thread.

Fact is it was a very rare thing this gen... and most of those had no AA turned on and probably ran at 30FPS.

I think that as this power goes up, we'll see 720p60fps become the lowest point (whereas a great number of games were sub-720p and 30fps this gen) and a much higher number will hit 1080p60fps, but it won't be the standard.

EDIT: 5 on the X360 btw...

Sorry superchunk. Like I said, I just pulled up a list. Didn't think about native separation. I still think next gen will do a much better job than your assumptions. Seems paltry.

It will definitely do better, no question.

PS360 stayed was generally below 720 as well as below 30fps.

Nextgen will never dip below 720p60fps. I'm sure of that. BUT it very well may not have a majority of games at 1080p (30 or 60fps). I'm thinking it will have a majority of somewhere in between honestly. Personally, I don't think most people care or see the difference anyways.

I doubt there will be any significant number of 4k native games on next gen consoles, hell I think 720p games will be more common than 4k. But I think it's very likely both Orbis and Durango will include dedicated scalers capable of scaling everything to 4k just like the X360 does for 1080p output. Scaling from 1080p to 4K on 4K TVs apparently looks amazing and much better than 480p to 720/1080p as scaler algorithms have improved and there is far more base data to work with.

If the Nvidia Shield can output 1080p video you can be sure as hell that both next gen consoles will. these consoles will be designed to be around in 2020 and likely far beyond after all.

Any low-end gpu can output in 4k... they just don't do that because the HDMI limitation (the version used in GPUs)... for example the GTX 620 can output in 4k resolutions.

Of course the GTX 620 have just enough power to output videos or upscalle to 4k resolutions... but a GTX 680 have enogh power to render a game in 4k in 3D (almost 8k render).

Battlefield 3 in 4k running in a single GTX 680.

We will see games in 4k for sure. 

Performance in 4K of the top GPUs in the market.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/6/18/the-4k-graphics-card-shootout.aspx

So I can see a Super Stardust 4k and WipEout 4k runnin on PS4 in this resolution.

I know I mean technically the PS3 can output 4k images via the photo viewer. But we will see few 4k native games as I said but must will be 1080p or less IMO, 4K will likely be to next gen much like what true 1080p was to this gen. Most developers would choose StarWars 1313 in 1080p than games that look like current gen at 4k even if they had the power of a GTX680 which they won't as it has a TDP of 195W by it's self. I'm sure the next 2D Rayman will blow minds at 4K.

I agree... some games.

For the GPU I expect a new generation from AMD (GNC2) with power near the GTX 680... the GTX 680 have 3 TFLOPS power... I can see a HD 8850 with the same 3 TFLOPS power and 130W TDP *(that's what the rumors says)... a custom HD 8850 for consoles can have even a better power consumption.

130W for the GPU fits with the full system over 200W.

The same about nVidia... I expect a GTX 770 have the same power than the GTX 680 with less power consumption.

What I have heard is an increase of ~15% with the next gen GPU performance at the top end, which is pretty good for no die shrink and the same architecture but it's not going to be that big a difference. The "leaked" chart smells far too much like bullshit. 

Keep in mind Nvidia flops and AMD flops are not the same thing and doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of actual game performance. The HD7970 GHz Ed is a 4TFlop GPU but the 3TFlop GTX680 still beats it in many games. And 3Tflop GCN is closer to the 7950 which has a TDP of 200 BTW so even if 15% improvement in effeciency is true (that 15% improvement in performance could be including a higher TDP considering it's on the same proccess and architecture) is looking at a TDP of ~170+ for a GCN2 3TFlop GPU.

A 3Tflop GCN2 GPU does not equal a GTX680 at all. And bassed on the infor that is floating arround 2.5TFlop is probably more realistic, that is still 10x the X360 GPU in Flops for what it's worth (very little).