Marks said:
snakenobi said:
Marks said:
And yeah I know many civilians died in the bombing runs in Germany and Japan by the allies, but they were a necessary evil. I even stand by America's decision to use the atomic bombs.The Japanese didn't know the meaning of the word surrender back then, they were honorable people that would die fighting rather than surrender...drastic measures, i.e. the atomic bomb, were necessary to end the war. Who knows how much longer it would have gone on for, and how many allied lives would have been lost if they didn't.
so u are worried about allied lives but not axis or other lives?
that sick
And as for the bombings in Germany I'm pretty sure the targets were factories/industrial areas...the target wasn't civilians. Civilian casualties were just collateral damage.
still its a crime
u can't give such a bad excuse and get away
that way,germany and japan and countless other countries throughout history will give an excuse that they were oppressed and so they revolted,a rhetoric example
I'm not saying USA and UK were perfect, but they did what was necessary to win a war.
so it was about 'winning'?
and that they are right when they provoked the war in the first place?
Killing 6 million Jews and 5 million or so non-Jews in the holocaust had nothing to do with the war, where as the Atomic Bombs (which unfortunately killed hundreds of thousands of civilians) was to force Japan to surrender.
funny how you use 'unfortunatley' to tone down one of the biggest crimes of all time
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So it's obvious you are against the atomic bombs. So what you you have done of you were Truman? You can either use this cool new weapon that will force Japan to surrender a week after its use...or you can keep sendin scores of American soldiers in to die or be captured on remote Japanese islands. Japanese soliders don't surrender! They keep fighting to the death because to them its honourable to die in war and dishonorable to be captured. If we hadn't used the atomic bombs the war could have continued for months longer.
Yeah I agree its not fair to kill civilians....but if I have to choose between Allied soldiers dying or Axis civilians dying I'll choose Axis civilians every time. Its just the cost of war so you're gonna have to deal with it.
Plus I should throw in that what Japan did in China, plus Japan's treatment of POWs was worse than anything the allies did. Allied POW camps were a vacation compared to Japanese ones.
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You forgot the third option... which was the one they were leaning towards.
Full naval blockaid of japan and the bombing of all their railroad infrastructure.
Truth is, the allied bombings actually ended up SAVING japanese civilian lives.
At that point in time millions of japanese civilians were on the brink of starvation and were only saved by the US's fast reaction to prevent the situation from happening.
A blockade would of caused way more deaths via starving then the bombing ever would.
So would of the invasion which would of took a LOT of time, since the Japanese were planning for the invasion, and that's not counting the poorly armed civilian miltia's the japanese were planning to use to fight in guerilla warfare....
Guerilla's who mostly didn't even have modern weapons and were reduced to things like bamboo spears.
That the Japanese were going to surrender was a complete myth. After the nuclear bombing, two japaneses officials called the nuclear bombings of their own people a "Gift from heaven"
Think about that... Japanese political officals said that about the worst bomb ever being dropped on a japanese city and wiping out his own people and civilians.
This is a pretty decent read about it....
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/05/nyt.kristof/
It often feels like there is a higher percentage of American's outraged by the atomic bombings then there are japanese!