RolStoppable said:
lestatdark said:
Can't we all agree that both plots are stupid? >___>
And yes, both the adventure games and heroes had stupid level design, problem with heroes was that the level design was also smeared with countless amount of glitches like the absurd amount of clipping most edge of platforms had and the awful collision detection system. While you may consider it a good game, those glitches made it nearly unplayable to me.
Anyway, back to your initial comment, why do you always assume that people who do not follow your line of thought must have started gaming in a different era (i.e sooner generations), than you? You did the same in the Mario thread.
I find Heroes and Adventures bad games, but heroes the worst of the three and I started playing Sonic back in the Megadrive era. Heck it was my first game for the Megadrive, along with Space Harrier II and Golden Axe >__>
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Sure, the plots are all stupid. Nobody even asks Sega to put in more elaborate stories.
I assume it, because most of the time it's true. I know that there can be exceptions to the rule, but they are rare. It happened several times to me that I got into an argument with Nintendo fans who supposedly started gaming during the NES/SNES era and later on listed the Gamecube days among their favorite childhood memories. That just doesn't add up. What's true in those cases is that they touched NES and SNES controllers, but N64 and GC games actually defined their childhood and that's what they played for the majority of time.
I wouldn't be surprised if something similar holds up for lurkerwithnosoul who may have played the 16-bit Sonics, but Sonic Adventure defined his childhood. That's really the only reasonable explanation why someone would say that the SA games had heart, because they were messes for the most part (well, the first one definitely was; the second one was actually bearable even during its worst parts).
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That's the same for those who were raised with an Atari 2600 or Spectrum ZX controller and played a few games with them but it's the NES/Master System era that defined their childhood, which was basically the case for me. I had my first NES when I was almost 3 years old, I started playing on an Atari but it's the SNES/Megadrive era that defined my childhood and still to this day I consider the SNES as being the best console ever released.
I believe it's more about preferences rather than actual experience. Nothing tops the JRPG experience I had with the SNES, while the NES had an all around great assortment of games and experiences (Mario Bros, Crystallis, Fanaxadu, Tecmo Super Bowl, Ninja Gaiden, Megaman, Castlevania and the list goes on). I understand Lurkerwithnosoul POV, mostly because his best experiences could have been with the SA games. For most of us who grew up with the 16-bit Sonics the SA games were horrendous (although I loathe the 2nd much more than the first....the digging stages with Knuckles and that she-bat....makes me want to throw up a bit), but that isn't the case for everyone I guess.
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