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Will third parties start developing 3DS content again right aways?

Yes 11 22.92%
 
About half, some will some won't 12 25.00%
 
No, they will remain skep... 25 52.08%
 
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Joelcool7 said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
Of the 76 3DS titles in VGC database we have a total of 8.88 million pieces of software sold. Subtract Nintendo titles and we have 5.28 million units of software sold for 3rd parties. I wouldn't be surprised if alot of those titles didn't even make a profit. 3DS software sales are still depressingly low despite the hardware moving at the new pricepoint. Lower than Its predecessor and the Wii both of which are practically not receiving any new software and haven't been for a while.

I suspect it will be much like Kinect. Amazing opening and pitiful legs for the rest of year.


Some of the VGC Database titles haven't launched yet. Though I must agree if those are the sales figures they are very very bad. Another reason for such low sales figures is that retailers simply aren't carrying the majority of 3DS games. The publishers can't get their games on store shelves. NIS specifically stated that retailers only carry the best of the best and prefer carrying sequels and such over new IP and other titles that aren't well established. Of those 76 games how many are available globally? then of those how many do retailers actually carry?

In the end a large reason for a lot of the failures is probably attributed to poor marketing, retailers not wanting to carry anything they aren't guaranteed to make tons of money on. Also note that a lot of the failing titles aren't really high quality software either. Though I am very surprised to see Driver doing so poorly.

I think Nintendo is going to have to prove to third parties that software will sell. Hopefully this doesn't end up like PSP, also at this point in the original DS's life were there 76 titles on the market? If there were then I would probably conclude that they didn't sell all that much better either.

I mean this is a launch and at launch you don't usually expect 76 titles. Then so many of those titles are simply not high quality and many lack the marketing and branding to make them successful. In fact a lot of similar titles on the DS launched way into its life span still sold like shit. Just look at UbiSoft's games on DS and you will see so many titles that did just as bad as the worst 3DS ones!

This is true but 5.58 million split between a few big names like SSFIV, Resident Evil, One Piece, Fifa, PES, Pokemon, DoA, Rayman, The Sims, Tom Clancy, SMT and Madden is downright pitiful. Forget the other low quality titles.  That's not even a half mill for most of those.  

This is why I consistently harp on Nintendo's online.  They need a way to transfer your titles to your profile not just consoles of the same type so they can better represent publishers like NIS who have done well carving out a popularity on digital spaces like PSN.  I can understand not wanting to buy games that are locked to that hardware specifically only Nintendo system not included is the 3DS which just got that update that makes me think a redesign is a definite thing. It also does themselves and smaller devs a great injustice.  This would give those smaller titles broader awareness and space in a marketplace if not the physical one. 

I wish VGC would let you look at software via release date. Over time is always an interesting way to look at and search data.  

I think proper digital would really help.  Imagine smaller titles with better critical reception may be better appreciated on an online network. Cutting out the middle man makes the prices smaller for consumers and theoretically better profitability not having to worry about price of carts and retailer profits and such. Western developers would feel alot more at home in this environment as well.



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nitekrawler1285 said:
MrT-Tar said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
 People say wait for the holiday season. I will but I see only 2 Nintendo games and 1 3rd party game that will sell well. 3rd parties don't care if Nintendo software does well. Look at the Wii and the DS to find your proof. They abandoned both of those moderately successful ships. Why would they stick around on this one?


I can think of 2 off the top of my head: Monster Hunter 3G and Inazuma Eleven Go.


I didn't think of Inazuma Eleven Go. How much do these titles usually sell? Japan only titles I assume.

1
Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryokusha(DS)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 1.18 0.00 1.18
2
Inazuma Eleven 3: Sekai e no Chousen!! Bomber / Spark (DS)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 0.93 0.00 0.93
3
Inazuma Eleven 3: Sekai e no Chousen!! The Ogre (DS)
Unknown, Sports
0.00 0.47 0.00 0.47
4
Inazuma Eleven (DS)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 0.38 0.03 0.41
5
Inazuma Eleven Strikers (Wii)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 0.21 0.00 0.21

Keep in mind that Inazuma Eleven 3: The Ogre is just a 3rd version of the game (not disimilar to Pokemon Yellow, Crystal, etc) and that the original game's European sales are misleading as this site seems to only be tracking U.K data, nothing from continental Europe.

The series is no way as big as the other 3 we mentioned, but I think a series which can break the 1m barrier in Japan alone is a pretty good exclusive for the 3DS library.




I have to put a lot of the blame for low selling software on the developers and publishers themselves. If you look at the titles that were released the majority of the games were ports or cheaply built. Even Ghost Recon from UbiSoft built from the ground up for 3DS while it was pretty fun you could tell it shouldn't have cost much to develop and the team wouldn't have to have been that big.

Honestly third parties dropped the ball by failing to give consumers high quality software. Of those 76 games how many of them are actually known? Then from those are known how many are ports? Then after you take out ports how many of those titles are actually high quality software?

Honestly the 3DS was an epic fail by both Nintendo and third parties. The launch line-up was way to weak for the asking price and third parties couldn't sell software because lets face it the majority of their software is complete shit.

Assasins Creed was one of the only third party games I thought had a lot of promise. But its cancellation leaves me with little hope for third parties in the future.

Another big reason for the lack of third party sales is launching too many of these crappy games. Instead of launching 7 shitty games maybe the company should focus on say 2 higher quality titles. Right now less is better since unlike DS which has like 150-million users buying software the 3DS only has nearly 7. Yet developers have launched similar amounts of software to DS though at a low quality!

I think third parties would be smart to begin investing in fewer titles and focusing on quality to ensure the games are actually capable of competing with the likes of Nintendo. If all the major publishers green lit 2 games for 2012 the line-up would be amazing and I think the publishers would make more money.

What do you think do you want 7 games like Whipe Out or do you want 2 games like Street Fighter or Nintendo's quality level titles?



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joel, Western third parties have never been really interested in dedicated gaming handhelds.



MrT-Tar said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
MrT-Tar said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
 People say wait for the holiday season. I will but I see only 2 Nintendo games and 1 3rd party game that will sell well. 3rd parties don't care if Nintendo software does well. Look at the Wii and the DS to find your proof. They abandoned both of those moderately successful ships. Why would they stick around on this one?


I can think of 2 off the top of my head: Monster Hunter 3G and Inazuma Eleven Go.


I didn't think of Inazuma Eleven Go. How much do these titles usually sell? Japan only titles I assume.

1
Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryokusha(DS)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 1.18 0.00 1.18
2
Inazuma Eleven 3: Sekai e no Chousen!! Bomber / Spark (DS)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 0.93 0.00 0.93
3
Inazuma Eleven 3: Sekai e no Chousen!! The Ogre (DS)
Unknown, Sports
0.00 0.47 0.00 0.47
4
Inazuma Eleven (DS)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 0.38 0.03 0.41
5
Inazuma Eleven Strikers (Wii)
Unknown, RPG
0.00 0.21 0.00 0.21

Keep in mind that Inazuma Eleven 3: The Ogre is just a 3rd version of the game (not disimilar to Pokemon Yellow, Crystal, etc) and that the original game's European sales are misleading as this site seems to only be tracking U.K data, nothing from continental Europe.

The series is no way as big as the other 3 we mentioned, but I think a series which can break the 1m barrier in Japan alone is a pretty good exclusive for the 3DS library.

It is a good title for the 3DS to have in it's stable for the japan region.  Sorry I didn't include it before. I was simply ignorant of the series sales pedigree. 



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there stupid if they don't. and they were stupid for leaving.