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Millenium said:
Sorry meintiel, your notion that the 360 has no chance of outselling the PS3 that week doesn't float for me, frankly I find it absolutely ridiculous.

I will discuss no further in this thread untill numbers for 10th & 17th Dec. are in.

Didn't say there was no chance.  It does have at least a 1% chance of outselling it. 

Seriously, though, if you think the 360 has a good chance at outselling it by a significant margin that week, I think you're in denial.  Like I told Seece, the 360 was only able to outsell the PS3 the last week of Dec 2 times.  In 2006, it outsold the PS3 by ~33K.  Of course, that number doesn't seem so impressive once you realize the PS3 wasn't out in most of EMEAA, while the 360 was.  The last time it beat it was in 2008, the same year the 360 had its first $199 SKU.  Even with that, though, it only beat it by ~4K.  So basically a tie.



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USA and UK numbers are up, 360 lead is around 320k, considering the gap in favour of the ps3 on the rest of the world will most likely be bigger this week tahm last week Id say the overall favorable gap for the 360 this week will be around 100-150k. Realy I dont see the 360 overtaking the Ps3



DakonBlackblade said:
USA and UK numbers are up, 360 lead is around 320k, considering the gap in favour of the ps3 on the rest of the world will most likely be bigger this week tahm last week Id say the overall favorable gap for the 360 this week will be around 100-150k. Realy I dont see the 360 overtaking the Ps3

After rolling the numbers around a bit, this seems like it will be the case.  I'm going to guess it will be closer to ~150K, maybe a little over.  Then when you throw in the adjustments to the PS3 for previous weeks, the overall gap will be lowered to only ~800K.  Which means the 360 will have to outsell the PS3 by ~400K for the next 2 weeks to tie with it.



thismeintiel said:
DakonBlackblade said:
USA and UK numbers are up, 360 lead is around 320k, considering the gap in favour of the ps3 on the rest of the world will most likely be bigger this week tahm last week Id say the overall favorable gap for the 360 this week will be around 100-150k. Realy I dont see the 360 overtaking the Ps3

After rolling the numbers around a bit, this seems like it will be the case.  I'm going to guess it will be closer to ~150K, maybe a little over.  Then when you throw in the adjustments to the PS3 for previous weeks, the overall gap will be lowered to only ~800K.  Which means the 360 will have to outsell the PS3 by ~400K for the next 2 weeks to tie with it.

You and I made spot on estimates, but mine is better. I would be great to see the overall difference between 400-600k.



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The 360 was able to outsell the PS3 by ~151K for the week. However, thanks to adjustments made to the PS3 (finally included adjustments made for all previous weeks of 2011, as well), the gap has only slightly dropped.

As of week ending Dec 10th - 11,958,663(PS3) - 11,152,898(360) = 805,765 or ~403K over the PS3 for the next 2 weeks.



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Michael-5 said:
thismeintiel said:
DakonBlackblade said:
USA and UK numbers are up, 360 lead is around 320k, considering the gap in favour of the ps3 on the rest of the world will most likely be bigger this week tahm last week Id say the overall favorable gap for the 360 this week will be around 100-150k. Realy I dont see the 360 overtaking the Ps3

After rolling the numbers around a bit, this seems like it will be the case.  I'm going to guess it will be closer to ~150K, maybe a little over.  Then when you throw in the adjustments to the PS3 for previous weeks, the overall gap will be lowered to only ~800K.  Which means the 360 will have to outsell the PS3 by ~400K for the next 2 weeks to tie with it.

You and I made spot on estimates, but mine is better. I would be great to see the overall difference between 400-600k.

Yep, but mine was better. 

Just to speculate, if FF13-2 only gives the PS3 a modest boost (to ~70K or up ~20K YOY), I think next week the gap will be ~100K-120K in favor of the 360.  This would drop the overall gap to ~686K-706K.  The following week's gap will probably be ~200K in the 360's favor, dropping the overall gap to ~486K-506K.  Then the last week, the PS3 should take it by ~80K, bringing the gap back up to  566K-586K. 

So, its pretty likely to fall into your predicted gap.  Though, it depends on how well FF13-2 does next week.  If it can boost the PS3 a little over half of FF13's ~243K (half would be ~122K) it may have a chance at finishing closer to the 700K I stated last week.  We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.



thismeintiel said:
Michael-5 said:
thismeintiel said:
DakonBlackblade said:
USA and UK numbers are up, 360 lead is around 320k, considering the gap in favour of the ps3 on the rest of the world will most likely be bigger this week tahm last week Id say the overall favorable gap for the 360 this week will be around 100-150k. Realy I dont see the 360 overtaking the Ps3

After rolling the numbers around a bit, this seems like it will be the case.  I'm going to guess it will be closer to ~150K, maybe a little over.  Then when you throw in the adjustments to the PS3 for previous weeks, the overall gap will be lowered to only ~800K.  Which means the 360 will have to outsell the PS3 by ~400K for the next 2 weeks to tie with it.

You and I made spot on estimates, but mine is better. I would be great to see the overall difference between 400-600k.

Yep, but mine was better. 

Just to speculate, if FF13-2 only gives the PS3 a modest boost (to ~70K or up ~20K YOY), I think next week the gap will be ~100K-120K in favor of the 360.  This would drop the overall gap to ~686K-706K.  The following week's gap will probably be ~200K in the 360's favor, dropping the overall gap to ~486K-506K.  Then the last week, the PS3 should take it by ~80K, bringing the gap back up to  566K-586K. 

So, its pretty likely to fall into your predicted gap.  Though, it depends on how well FF13-2 does next week.  If it can boost the PS3 a little over half of FF13's ~243K (half would be ~122K) it may have a chance at finishing closer to the 700K I stated last week.  We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.

Well no, the difference is 800k right now, you guess 800k-1 million correct? I said around 500k. 360 will likely outsell PS3 by 150k a week the next 2 weeks which makes the difference right at 500k, and in you OP you gave the last week a tie. If that happens, I am spot didly on correct.

Probably going to end up at 600k though with FFXIII-2.

Ahh see, it all depends on the last week, and FFXIII-2 week. May end up at 650k, smack in between our predictions.



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Michael-5 said:
thismeintiel said:
Michael-5 said:
thismeintiel said:
DakonBlackblade said:
USA and UK numbers are up, 360 lead is around 320k, considering the gap in favour of the ps3 on the rest of the world will most likely be bigger this week tahm last week Id say the overall favorable gap for the 360 this week will be around 100-150k. Realy I dont see the 360 overtaking the Ps3

After rolling the numbers around a bit, this seems like it will be the case.  I'm going to guess it will be closer to ~150K, maybe a little over.  Then when you throw in the adjustments to the PS3 for previous weeks, the overall gap will be lowered to only ~800K.  Which means the 360 will have to outsell the PS3 by ~400K for the next 2 weeks to tie with it.

You and I made spot on estimates, but mine is better. I would be great to see the overall difference between 400-600k.

Yep, but mine was better. 

Just to speculate, if FF13-2 only gives the PS3 a modest boost (to ~70K or up ~20K YOY), I think next week the gap will be ~100K-120K in favor of the 360.  This would drop the overall gap to ~686K-706K.  The following week's gap will probably be ~200K in the 360's favor, dropping the overall gap to ~486K-506K.  Then the last week, the PS3 should take it by ~80K, bringing the gap back up to  566K-586K. 

So, its pretty likely to fall into your predicted gap.  Though, it depends on how well FF13-2 does next week.  If it can boost the PS3 a little over half of FF13's ~243K (half would be ~122K) it may have a chance at finishing closer to the 700K I stated last week.  We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.

Well no, the difference is 800k right now, you guess 800k-1 million correct? I said around 500k. 360 will likely outsell PS3 by 150k a week the next 2 weeks which makes the difference right at 500k, and in you OP you gave the last week a tie. If that happens, I am spot didly on correct.

Probably going to end up at 600k though with FFXIII-2.

Ahh see, it all depends on the last week, and FFXIII-2 week. May end up at 650k, smack in between our predictions.

Oh, you were talking about my original prediction.  Gotcha.  And that would be funny if it ended up being in the middle of our predictions.  We would have both been equally as wrong. 



thismeintiel said:

Oh, you were talking about my original prediction.  Gotcha.  And that would be funny if it ended up being in the middle of our predictions.  We would have both been equally as wrong. 

What is your current prediction? Technically my original (and current) is 500-600k.



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Michael-5 said:
thismeintiel said:
 

Oh, you were talking about my original prediction.  Gotcha.  And that would be funny if it ended up being in the middle of our predictions.  We would have both been equally as wrong. 

What is your current prediction? Technically my original (and current) is 500-600k.

Last week, in response to your message, I said it would end up ~700K, most likely a little less.  Not too far off from my original prediciton, but still lower.  Though, I guess it wouldn't be fair to be continuously changing my prediction, as with new numbers it would become more accurate to the final result.  So, you can just call it a revised calculation of the outcome and still hold my original prediction against me.