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LordTheNightKnight on 05 January 2008
IllegalPaladin said:
I'm kind of questioning a service for downloading videos at this time. Now, I don't know how well Microsoft's current renting thing is for movies on Xbox Live. However, if movies take up a lot of space, I'm not really sure if my internet can handle it. The good internet at my parents house is well... good... but I can't imagine using it as a complete movie experience and it'd be better than hopping in the car and just going down the street to a brick and motor outlet. Hell, I think I'd laugh at the thought of even trying the same thing on the internet service at my apartment, which has crummy DSL (but good enough for games, so I can't complain as much as I should).

I'm not saying that it wont happen (that'd be stupid to say that), but I don't see the great advantage of it until you can either download it VERY fast, within 30 minutes to an hour (30 minutes would be roughly the time it would take to go to the actual store) and never have it stop to download if you're streaming. Now if you're not renting but actually downloading for keeps, download speed might not matter as much, but it'd still tie up the internet for quite a while based on indications of downloading on my parent's computer and their connection.


Also, movies from XBL Marketplace are time-locked rentals, so they couldn't even try to take the place of hard copy films. 



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CrazzyMan on 05 January 2008

in reality 10 blu-ray disc moovies in paper covers takes only 1,5 cm and 12x12.
and 10 blu-ray discs is around 250GB.

even with 1TB disc, you will be able to have only around 40 movies.
and even those 40 movies in paper box takes 6 cm.
30 discs takes almost as much place as 1 book.

I really don`t see a BIG problem here.
BD will be here for next 10 years atleast.



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Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

LordTheNightKnight on 05 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:
in reality 10 blu-ray disc moovies in paper covers takes only 1,5 cm and 12x12.
and 10 blu-ray discs is around 250GB.

even with 1TB disc, you will be able to have only around 40 movies.
and even those 40 movies in paper box takes 6 cm.
30 discs takes almost as much place as 1 book.

I really don`t see a BIG problem here.
BD will be here fo next 10 years atleast.

But that's if you use paper covers. Some people don't mind, while others prefer the full cases, like me.

Then again, since it's not a problem for DVD, and blu-ray cases are slightly smaller, the space issue isn't valid either. 



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gebx on 05 January 2008
IllegalPaladin said:

I'm kind of questioning a service for downloading videos at this time. Now, I don't know how well Microsoft's current renting thing is for movies on Xbox Live. However, if movies take up a lot of space, I'm not really sure if my internet can handle it. The good internet at my parents house is well... good... but I can't imagine using it as a complete movie experience and it'd be better than hopping in the car and just going down the street to a brick and motor outlet. Hell, I think I'd laugh at the thought of even trying the same thing on the internet service at my apartment, which has crummy DSL (but good enough for games, so I can't complain as much as I should).

I'm not saying that it wont happen (that'd be stupid to say that), but I don't see the great advantage of it until you can either download it VERY fast, within 30 minutes to an hour (30 minutes would be roughly the time it would take to go to the actual store) and never have it stop to download if you're streaming. Now if you're not renting but actually downloading for keeps, download speed might not matter as much, but it'd still tie up the internet for quite a while based on indications of downloading on my parent's computer and their connection.

Still, the format war here is between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and I'm not really sure how Blu-Ray would lose the war if it beats out HD-DVD.


 

 

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konnichiwa on 05 January 2008

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7S_Nwb8fU


Awesome XD.....






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LordTheNightKnight on 05 January 2008
konnichiwa said:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7S_Nwb8fU


Awesome XD.....

It said 2007, so it's wrong, no matter what happens now. It just shows fanboys jumping the gun rather than actually looking forward to what HD can do. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

coolestguyever on 05 January 2008

All I know is Blu Ray is going to beat out HD DVD. Thats all thats important to me.



Lord N on 05 January 2008

People turned to mp3's simply because the record labels wouldn't offer them what they wanted. The public was simply tired of paying $20 for CD's with two or three good songs and ten filler tracks, so they turned to downloads whether via P2P or iTunes.

The movie studios, on the other hand, have given people what they want. As far as the public is conerned, they are getting their money's worth out of a DVD, so they will still buy them.

Even with MP3's, people are still buying CD's because everyone has the players. People have CD players in their homes, in their offices, in their cars, PCs and laptops have them.

Digital distribution of movies isn't going to gain prevalence until at least ten years from now, and even then it's not going to replace physical media.

 

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makingmusic476 on 05 January 2008
Lord N said:

People turned to mp3's simply because the record labels wouldn't offer them what they wanted. The public was simply tired of paying $20 for CD's with two or three good songs and ten filler tracks, so they turned to downloads whether via P2P or iTunes.

The movie studios, on the other hand, have given people what they want. As far as the public is conerned, they are getting their money's worth out of a DVD, so they will still buy them.

Even with MP3's, people are still buying CD's because everyone has the players. People have CD players in their homes, in their offices, in their cars, PCs and laptops have them.

Digital distribution of movies isn't going to gain prevalence until at least ten years from now, and even then it's not going to replace physical media.

 That's because they listen to crappy music.  90% of the stuff on the radio = garbage, yet it's the only stuff that the music biz bothers to promote.  They may have a catchy single here and there to pique consumer interest, but in the end the artists are crap.



Jigglypuff on 05 January 2008
rocketpig said:
Smidlee said:

If I'm not mistaken not long after the PS2 came out DVD players became very cheap. Why do you think it will be any different with Blu-Ray players?

Also in order to downloaded movies (unlike music) you got to have boardband which isn't cheap in itself.


This is a common misconception when talking about the current format war. DVD standalone players were already under $150 and were selling by the millions before the PS2 released. I'm not saying that Blu-ray will fail but the circumstances are much different this time around.

I forsee one of two things happening:

- Blu-ray penetrates the market and by 2012 or so, starts rivaling DVD in media sales.

- Blu-ray fails to gain enough steam before a new, improved physical media releases and ultimately succumbs to this new format.

Either way, physical media will always exist, though not to the extent we've seen with DVD. DLC will take a portion of the market, the real question is how much it will take.

I disagree totally. In the UK the PS2 was the cheapest DVD player around. I bought the PS2 solely for DVD, just like i have bought the PS3 for only Blu Ray.