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What do you think?

Yes 67 70.53%
 
No 28 29.47%
 
Total:95

Ofcourse we do, what would be holding us back? Obviously our choices are mostly heavily influenced, but that doesn't mean we have no control over them.



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Kantor said:

Not really, because the jury has no free will to decide whether or not you're guilty, and the judge has no free will to sentence you. Hell, I have no free will to say this.

It all sounds far too complicated to really work. It implies that you could travel forward in time, because anything that anyone will ever do is already set.

I think the big decisions in life - when you marry, whether you commit any crimes, where you work - will be largely decided by upbringing, genetics and other exposure, but little things like whether to eat corn flakes or coco pops and whether or not to scratch your back are pretty much entirely down to free will.

If you continue with the OPs logic, one could argue that even those little actions could be attributed to external factors... Molecules ineracting, physical and chemical reactions, stimulating your itch reflex for instance

Pretty deep stuff :p



Jay520 said:


That's what I'm saying. If a person's personality is completely dependent upon those factors, then what makes any person different from another?

When we make decisions, are we 'making' decisions, or are our brains just performing outputs based upon external stimuli that any other human would make when met with the same circumstances? Did you choose to post a comment or is your brain simply apart of a strict function with no possible way of performing a different output? Well, of course you chose to post the comment because your want to post overcame your need to use the restroom. But do you ultimately control your want to post or need to go to the restroom?

I don't know where I'm going with this, I just thought it was an interesting topic & was interested in others' opinions

I think adding physiological functions/needs only complicates this discussion needlessly.



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You need another option - to an extent.

Do we have free will? Yes, to an extent.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

I agree, humans (like all other animals) probably don't have what we usually call "free will".
As far as I know, that's also the current state of knowledge in neurobiology/neurosciences.



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pezus said:
Would you kindly not ask me such a hard question?


Just wanetd to say, if the girl in your avatar was in my room naked, I would have no free will. LOL

Depends. What is free will?

Unless quantum mechanics can convince me otherwise, I'm going to continue thinking that the universe is deterministic, even if we can't know everything precisely enough to determine the future. However, free will is a sufficient model for our actions because in the end, our behaviour is too unpredictable.

More importantly, who cares? It's not like you can do anything about it and it's not like knowing the answer is going to change anything. I don't think it's a question worth sacrificing a lot of time to.



humans have free will, like the insects

plants and bacteria for example do not, it's so simple



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

Jay520 said:
I personally don't think humans have free will. I believe humans actually lack the ability to 'decide' their actions. Sure, humans appear to make their decisions, but one has to realise that every 'decision' we make is based upon our experience of the world, which is based upon external factors which we have no control over.

One person's brain is composed of the same atoms as any other person. Barring any genetic mutations, which are uncontrollable anyway, humans are more or less born with the same state of mind. The difference in each individual is caused by the unique 'experience' that each individual goes through.

We make decisions based on what we know. Our knowledge originates from external stimuli. Our brains are clouded by our limited perspective of the world. We don't choose what we percieve. We just percieve what we come across. These perceptions are then combined with other perceptions & innate instincts and our brains uses those [external] factors to form what we call 'decisions'.

With all that said, I can confidently say that every choice/decision is absolutely determined by factors out of our control. If if we do have some control over our decisions, which we don't, one cannot deny the presence external stimuli as a large factor in affecting our choices in life, thus, affecting our personality.

With that said, one could say that the only thing that differs people are the things we come across, not who we are. The only thing that makes me any different from a prisoner is the different occurences we've experienced, I just had a better state of mind caused by a more fortunate experience with the world.

Thoughts?

My numerical system below is the method I'll be using to respond to the corresponding paragraph.  It's easier for me that way.

1. There are many external environmental factors that we have no control over and these present to us unique situations in which we respond.  That much I agree with.  But there are many possible responses to that situation, and this is where free will comes into play.  I am not certain how you are choosing to define free will--that in of itself is a subject of great debate--but I choose to define it as the capacity to act and react freely on our own will.  Willpower is a different thing entirely; I define it as the strength of one's motivation. Those with stronger willpower can overcome personal obstacles such as addiction easier than those with weaker willpower, but ultimately both have free will as they still have the capacity to choose.

When I am presented with a situation, depending on the amount of time at my disposal I can choose among the many options.  In the mundane world I can choose what I eat; I used to be a picky eater but trained myself to be more open and so I have more choices (among the foods I like) than before.  In more complex situations I may have to make ethical decisions I am not sure about, choose between unpleasant options in spite of their consequences, choose to react with emotion, reason, or instinct, etc.  Some people overcome their situations, others allow themselves to be defined by it.

2.  People are not born with the same states of mind.  Despite having the same atoms, they do not necessarily have the same molecules forming tissues in the same pattern.  Some regions of the brain are larger or smaller than others, and depending on the hormonal balance of the mother, the developing brain may be exposed to different levels of chemicals in certain zones, affecting its development.  And then there are genetic defects, fetal alcohol syndrome, hereditary diseases, etc.  All brains are very different but functionally similar to have a sameness.  If that's not a word, it is now.

The anatomy and physiology of the brain is an important starting point for the formation of one's personality.  For example, those with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome have a more difficult time restraining their aggressor response.  But the brain is only one factor of personality; one of four, to be precise.  The other three are memories, experiences (which are linked but distinct from one another) and personal choice.  Experiences present situations for us to respond.  Our brains influence our response but part of higher thinking allows us to go against what we know or what biology encourages us to do.  The end result may form a memory, which is imperfect and likely to change over time.

But the choices are the defining point of who we are.  Certain things we don't have choices on, like sexual preference, but they are a determinant on how we live, act, and treat one another.  And even then, at any time we have the option to reinvent ourselves if we reflect and decide that there has to be a change.

3.  Decisions are the response to a situation based on what we know and believe.  And we do choose what we perceive in many events.  We seek out knowledge and experiences, be it found in a library or a needle.  We can hear opposing opinions on a subject we know nothing about and ignore one of the argument, or more commonly, ignore a good idea because it's not our own.  We sometimes think we see things that aren't there, and often neglect to notice what's plainly in front of us. 

A decision is a commitment to an action or a belief, the possibilities limited to what we know.  That model may not apply to the criminally insane, but that's another matter entirely.  These possibilities or options may be limited, but they are still options and we may still choose among them.  The choice is still there, still available to be made freely.  Even when the other options seem so unthinkable that there doesn't seem to be any alternative, there is always the choice between action and inaction.

4.  I admit that choices are presented by and influenced by external factors, but they are not decided upon by external factors, and that's where choice comes in and choice is the instrument of free will.  And while our personalities may be affected as a result of these circumstances and decisions, we often make decisions contrary to what our personalities would dictate. 

5.  There are many prisoners who stemmed from stable, loving families that provided for them.  And there are many from the worst of circumstances who become paragons of society.  Conventional predictive models may be consistent within a certain standard deviation of the population, but there will always be those who stand that predictive model on its head simply because they had the personal motivation to do so. 

Conclusion: I find your argument demonstratively insufficient.  However, if you define free will differently than I then our discussions will be equally insufficient to one another. 



Um...yes we have free will.

How you ask?

We are not controlled by anything, except ourselves at the time we take decisions. Sure we have our past experience, but we still have a free will to either ignore our past or to consider it.

We have free will, hence. There's only a limited set of actions for certain functions, and humans tend to take the best course of action for themselves after they consider their knowledge base or whatever. They can do otherwise.