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Yes 67 70.53%
 
No 28 29.47%
 
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Jay520 said:


That's what I'm saying. If a person's personality is completely dependent upon those factors, then what makes any person different from another?

When we make decisions, are we 'making' decisions, or are our brains just performing outputs based upon external stimuli that any other human would make when met with the same circumstances? Did you choose to post a comment or is your brain simply apart of a strict function with no possible way of performing a different output? Well, of course you chose to post the comment because your want to post overcame your need to use the restroom. But do you ultimately control your want to post or need to go to the restroom?

I don't know where I'm going with this, I just thought it was an interesting topic & was interested in others' opinions

Different experiences ofcourse. Nobody can have exactly the same experiences.

Causality suggests that free will can't exist, the atoms in your brain adhere to the laws of physics. If human conciousness is nothing more then a program running on the vast neural networks of your brain then it is very much pre determined what your reaction will be. That doesn't mean that you can exactly predict what someone will do, it will be a while before we can simulate a brain inside a computer.

But maybe conciousness is more then that, or maybe the brain has a way to influence physics. Fringe sience like the global conciousness project suggests so. They claim human conciousness can affect quantum based random number generators by constantly observing the output of a network of random number generators all over the world and correlating their behaviour to big events that are supposed to align peoples thoughts. The evidence is pretty minor though and a lot of events don't seem very big and randomly chosen. It gets even weirder when they say they saw a spike right before 911 happened, claiming that people could feel the terrible event before it actually happened.

Maybe one day computers and brain scanners are powerful enough to download the current state of your brain into a computer. Then you can test what happens with multiple copies with the exact same inputs. Whether that's ethical is another matter. And that probably still won't give a 100% conclusive result since our brains are analog devices. For example tiny fluctuations in the magnetic field or background radiation can tip the balance in analog neural networks.

An interesting topic, are you making decisions, or merely witnessing them. There must be some benefit to conciousness otherwise evolution wouldn't have bothered with it?



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Thanks for all the responses guys. Some really interesting replies. I won't getting any deeper though, my head hurts. : /



SvennoJ said:
Jay520 said:
 


That's what I'm saying. If a person's personality is completely dependent upon those factors, then what makes any person different from another?

When we make decisions, are we 'making' decisions, or are our brains just performing outputs based upon external stimuli that any other human would make when met with the same circumstances? Did you choose to post a comment or is your brain simply apart of a strict function with no possible way of performing a different output? Well, of course you chose to post the comment because your want to post overcame your need to use the restroom. But do you ultimately control your want to post or need to go to the restroom?

I don't know where I'm going with this, I just thought it was an interesting topic & was interested in others' opinions

It gets even weirder when they say they saw a spike right before 911 happened, claiming that people could feel the terrible event before it actually happened.

I don't know, I recall having played the ICO demo back that day. Stupid fucking mill arrrgh



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Depends how you define "fee will"



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Up to a point i think humans have free will.



Hard to say. Possible but not necessarily true. Determinism originated from Newton and it would be true if tgere wasnt quantum physics that are impossible to predict and uncertain also superpositions exist so depending on how quantumphysics affect our reality and our consciousness we should have a free will. I am leaning towards yes we have a free will. 100 years ago I would have said probably not.



Guys, the OP's question is very simple... let's not succumb to "group think," please...

My answer is............... Of course we humans have free will !!!

How else do you explain an unknown Libyan rebel choosing to put some 9mm slugs into Gadhafi's head?

On a more personal note, I employ free will for as much as I can - that is I employ it when I can either get away with it or I am restricted by LAWS.

In summary, one's free will is only restricted by man-made laws. If those laws didn't exist - and police didn't either - then I would follow my free will and rape every hot looking babe I came across - just like my old ancester, Neanderthal and Cro-magnon man did in his time of free will.



The philosophy I ascribe to says the following:

We have free will, but only very, very little in our current (human) state. MOSTLY we are pulled around like a puppet by the strings of material nature. Yet, there still is this small indeterminism which we can influence and over the course of time it can (significantly) change the outcome of events. (think the butterfly causing the tornado effect)



We may not have free will, but it's pretty awesome to have a consciousness and being able to experience the illusion of free will.