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Alright this might be a controversial thread title but today I read a news article that blows my mind. You know how Arab spring is often credited to the American Government and people of America influencing the Arab world to do something they wouldn't have done other wise. Many people on this very site accused America of taking advantage of the weak and frail countries and the desperation of the people to directly cause change.

Well in this case my country is taking the blame for doing the exact same thing to the mighty United States of America. It seems that Occupy Wall Street was not an idea that American's came up with. Rather a Canadian media corporation cooked up the idea for the movement and decided to medal in US affairs. Kalle Lasn co-editor of famed Canadian magazine adbusters and explains what he did and why. It would appear his reasons for provoking the biggest protest movement in recent American history was simple. "We just felt America was ripe for a Tahrir moment of its own,"  but it would appear adbusters while intending to start a movement in the US did not expect to see the success they are today "The way this has bubbled to the top is quite amazing," he told the Globe. "We really didn't expect it."

So just how did the Canadian firm go about provoking this protest, in July the magazine decided to put their plan to change America into action. The magazine used the caption "What is our one demand?....#OCCUPYWALLSTREET, September 17, Bring tent." in their center spread depicting a ballerina balancing on Wall Streets iconic bull.

Kalle Lasn goes into further detail "We just did this thing and watched as it started to grow and grow," Lasn marveled. "Then some groups in New York got behind it. The buzz grew, and suddenly it took off, and now it's a real movement." It appears Lasn also had alterior political motives behind the move. He says that this movement has the potential to revive the liberal movement in the USA. "I was scared the loony left would take over again, and the whole thing would fizzle into nothing. But real, substantial people are turning up, people with a bit of backbone," said Lasn. "They are starting to have the same sort of chutzpah that the Tea Party has. That's what the political left sorely needs."

So it appears the biggest and most influential movement in recent American history wasn't even an American movement to begin with. It was a group of Canadian Liberal's who decided they wanted to see change in the US and used their magazine and media influence to motivate and influence the American people to do something that they would not have done on there own.

I have to admit I am not proud of this move, I don't think Canadian's really have the right to go and meddle in America's Government and directly start a move to bring down the Government and Wall Street. I think the move should have been started and inspired by Americans themselves it is there country.

What do you think, was this Canadian group right to go on the direct offensive against the US political system and influence American's who are ripe for influence? Or should the company have allowed American's to start their own movement and allowed the American political machine to operate on its own? As an American are you glad to see Canadian's getting involved directly in changing your Government? As a Canadian are you proud of our fellow Canadian's who brought about the biggest American political movement in recent history? As an international citizen what is your opinion on people from another country starting a movement with the plan to completely change that countries political system?

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Well i'd say at least part of the Arab spring was due to the US' strange foreign policy of "Support dictators but also groups supporting democracy and threaten to change relations if the dictators act against them."

Effective but ends up with the new democracies hating your guts for working with the dictators.

Really i'd say the Occupy Wallstreet movement was just created by people who know how to protest and are frustrated. That a Canadian company started it is really somewhat irrelevant. Though granted.... interesting.

It'd be a good thing... if only they had any idea of how the economy works or why problems are as they are. As it is, they seem to be advocating "solutions" that will only increase everything they are complaining about.



Also, no I don't have a problem with it because well... it happened.

Now if you found out the protesters were Canadian or something yeah that's a problem.... or if they went out of their way to manufacture stuff to piss people off....

but just organizing existing discontent? It's discontent that's already there, what's the big deal?

Essentially all those Canadians did was give a bunch of frustrated people a sense of agency they didn't have before.

Which is always a good thing... even if there ideas on the economy are backwards.



No, it just shows that college hippies are phenomenally credulous as well as economically illiterate. And, sure, why not: pawns, too.

I am not sure that this Occupy Every Place movement is larger than the Tea Party, though. And once people become aware of its Canadian origins, it will be less popular than AIDS.



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badgenome said:

No, it just shows that college hippies are phenomenally credulous as well as economically illiterate. And, sure, why not: pawns, too.

I am not sure that this Occupy Every Place movement is larger than the Tea Party, though. And once people become aware of its Canadian origins, it will be less popular than AIDS.

I'd be surprised if people do become aware of it.  The populace at large that is.  This seems like the kind of story that would slip through the cracks, somewhat intentionally.

 

I mean the Wallstreet protests are great filler matieral for news stations.



Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

No, it just shows that college hippies are phenomenally credulous as well as economically illiterate. And, sure, why not: pawns, too.

I am not sure that this Occupy Every Place movement is larger than the Tea Party, though. And once people become aware of its Canadian origins, it will be less popular than AIDS.

I'd be surprised if people do become aware of it.  The populace at large that is.  This seems like the kind of story that would slip through the cracks, somewhat intentionally.

 

I mean the Wallstreet protests are great filler matieral for news stations.

They may fly under the radar for a while, but someone is bound to say "out" or "about" eventually. Then... it's on.

Edit: Maybe sooner than I thought.

Obvious Canadian behavior. The mask is slipping.



badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

No, it just shows that college hippies are phenomenally credulous as well as economically illiterate. And, sure, why not: pawns, too.

I am not sure that this Occupy Every Place movement is larger than the Tea Party, though. And once people become aware of its Canadian origins, it will be less popular than AIDS.

I'd be surprised if people do become aware of it.  The populace at large that is.  This seems like the kind of story that would slip through the cracks, somewhat intentionally.

 

I mean the Wallstreet protests are great filler matieral for news stations.

They may fly under the radar for a while, but someone is bound to say "out" or "about" eventually. Then... it's on.

Well I mean more, the media will intentionally keep it off the radar.   I mean they've intereviewed these Adbuster guys a lot, and everyone seems to ignore the whole Canada angle.

There are 11,203 google news stories with Adbusters on the most recent wallstreet news group.

Only 10 results for Adbusters + Canada and some of them are just about how successful the occupy wallstreet movement will be in Canadian cities.



badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

No, it just shows that college hippies are phenomenally credulous as well as economically illiterate. And, sure, why not: pawns, too.

I am not sure that this Occupy Every Place movement is larger than the Tea Party, though. And once people become aware of its Canadian origins, it will be less popular than AIDS.

I'd be surprised if people do become aware of it.  The populace at large that is.  This seems like the kind of story that would slip through the cracks, somewhat intentionally.

 

I mean the Wallstreet protests are great filler matieral for news stations.

They may fly under the radar for a while, but someone is bound to say "out" or "about" eventually. Then... it's on.

Well, conservative talk radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh have already stated this several times on the radio, so a lot of people on the right already know it.  Though, I think people on the left will choose to stay ignorant of that fact or they simply won't care.

As far as how large the movement is, when compared to the Tea Party, its not very large.  I've only seen reports of there being hundreds gathering.  It may have grown to thousands, but that's mainly because of unions encouraging their members to join in.  So the numbers have grown mainly because of special interests groups and not actual everyday people, like the Tea Party did.  The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had assemblies where there has been tens to hundreds of thousands.



Personally, the most disturbing thing from watching a few of the "Occupy" movement is the characteristics of the movement which are so similar to cults. The repetition of what is said is the most obvious signal, which actually forced me to look up lists of characteristics of cults. One of the more interesting things I stumbled upon was a list of characteristics defined by Steven Hassan, and (in particular) his list of characteristics about thought control

From: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm

 

III. Thought Control

1. Need to internalize the group's doctrine as "Truth"
a. Map = Reality
b. Black and White thinking
c. Good vs. evil
d. Us vs. them (inside vs. outside)
2. Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words".

3. Only "good" and "proper" thoughts are encouraged.

4. Thought-stopping techniques (to shut down "reality testing" by stopping "negative" thoughts and allowing only "good" thoughts); rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism.

a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
b. Chanting
c. Meditating
d. Praying
e. Speaking in "tongues"
f. Singing or humming
5. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate

6. No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful

 

For the most part, I have seen every one of these characteristics displayed by the Occupy groups ...