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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox 360 Vs. Playstation 3 2012 - *February* Update

Seece on 22 December 2011

MOTHER FUCKER, just deleted a whole post -_-

*again*

PS3 is gonna have to see major gains in the US now that Japan is down and out. How much growth can Europe see when it had Gt5 last holiday? be interesting to see, plus all the other little countries.

MS needs to see crazy growth in the US, UK and other countries they already do well in. At least flat in Europe, but ideally up a couple of hundred K, I shouldn't think that tooo difficult if they're spending a significant amount more on advertising. 3 weeks today till MS release shipments, and 5 for Sony.



 

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Iveyboi on 22 December 2011

550+K in 14 days...possible but nah



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thx1139 on 22 December 2011

Looks like it wont happen.  Will probably end up about 200K short.  With the huge numbers that the 360 will pull in the US this week especially with all the $100 gift card deals this should be the best week ever in the US for the 360. The PS3 wont climb much and perhaps drop with so few deals this week.  Beyond that though it is amazing how dominant the PS3 is in the unnamed countries.  Look at just this week.

Country/Area PS3 360
United States 343,886 766,126
Named Europe (UK, Germany, France) 168,062 150,726
Named Asia (Japan..Media Create numbers) 65,000 3,500
Total Named 576,948 920,352
Unnamed Americas 65,589 129,924
Unnamed Europe 179,556 84,851
Unnamed Other 94,631 29,289
Total Unnamed 339,776 244,064

Since the unnamed countries are hard to track I believe that maybe the 360 will have done better in those regions than what tracking allows.  We will have a better idea later in January when shipment numbers are released.



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Dark_Feanor on 22 December 2011

MS has performed a fantastic magic this year with no price cut and so few exclusives.

I think we are heading to a statistical tie. The diference will be less than 100k, or less than 1% the whole year, so wait for ajustments.



nightsurge on 22 December 2011
kowenicki said:
drkohler said:
kowenicki, Seece said:

I said a price cut in EUROPE would have helped.... you then quoted a rack of US price offerings... those US price cuts are irrelevant to the EUROPEAN sales performance.  Get it?

Look, this is a site that has visitors from all over the world. Like it or not, the US $ still is a currency everyone can relate to, so quoting local prices in US $ rather than local currencies is a simple convenience for all readers. Maybe I am thinking too fast for you (and your alter ego Seece as well), or you are intentionally playing dumb bringing up a straw man "US price cuts".

I am not going to discuss manufacturing prices (again and again and again over the years, particularly with you two). I assume there are readers knowledgable enough in mass manufacturing/electronics to see the simple points I make. There is a peculiar group of readers that apparently are not, and feel the need to divert the discussion (particularly when it comes to manufacturing and production costs of XBoxes, like there is some unexplainable miracle looming behind that particular gadget. So to sum up: For the first group, it would be simple to reproduce the calculation that a $229 shop price XBox360 250G Kinect + Software + Live) price is sold at a loss to MS, while the latter group will simple go "Lalalalala".


What in the name of god are you rambling about... ?

Bang on about manufacturing prices all you want...  the resultant facts of revenue v costs are in the interim and final year financial for all to see.  I will take those facts over your bob-the-builder estimates every day of the week.

Go find MikeB, you two will get along nicely.

Where in the world did you see a $229 250GB Kinect bundle? The cheapest those have been in the US is $299 in very limited timeframes for holiday deals. Regardless, what you fail to realize, drkohler is that MS does not cause these price reductions, it is the stores/businesses. They are the ones that take the losses. MS may give them some slight reimbursements, neither of us can know for sure of that, but it would be the stores taking the major front of the loss.

Also, where are you getting these US prices for PS3 and 360? The PS3 price has not increased, and the price for 360 you listed were limited sale prices, not current retail price.

US Prices are as follows:

PS3 - $250, 300, 350
360 - $200, 300, 300, 400



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sales2099 on 22 December 2011

WOW. I had no idea the total would be this close in the end.

PS3 is in trouble if it was this close when they had all the exclusives and the price cut, not to mention was bleeding red ink this whole time.



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sales2099 on 22 December 2011

Also, could anybody do me a favor and post the 360/ps3 sales totals for 2010?



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Reasonable on 22 December 2011
nightsurge said:
kowenicki said:
drkohler said:
kowenicki, Seece said:

I said a price cut in EUROPE would have helped.... you then quoted a rack of US price offerings... those US price cuts are irrelevant to the EUROPEAN sales performance.  Get it?

Look, this is a site that has visitors from all over the world. Like it or not, the US $ still is a currency everyone can relate to, so quoting local prices in US $ rather than local currencies is a simple convenience for all readers. Maybe I am thinking too fast for you (and your alter ego Seece as well), or you are intentionally playing dumb bringing up a straw man "US price cuts".

I am not going to discuss manufacturing prices (again and again and again over the years, particularly with you two). I assume there are readers knowledgable enough in mass manufacturing/electronics to see the simple points I make. There is a peculiar group of readers that apparently are not, and feel the need to divert the discussion (particularly when it comes to manufacturing and production costs of XBoxes, like there is some unexplainable miracle looming behind that particular gadget. So to sum up: For the first group, it would be simple to reproduce the calculation that a $229 shop price XBox360 250G Kinect + Software + Live) price is sold at a loss to MS, while the latter group will simple go "Lalalalala".


What in the name of god are you rambling about... ?

Bang on about manufacturing prices all you want...  the resultant facts of revenue v costs are in the interim and final year financial for all to see.  I will take those facts over your bob-the-builder estimates every day of the week.

Go find MikeB, you two will get along nicely.

Where in the world did you see a $229 250GB Kinect bundle? The cheapest those have been in the US is $299 in very limited timeframes for holiday deals. Regardless, what you fail to realize, drkohler is that MS does not cause these price reductions, it is the stores/businesses. They are the ones that take the losses. MS may give them some slight reimbursements, neither of us can know for sure of that, but it would be the stores taking the major front of the loss.

Also, where are you getting these US prices for PS3 and 360? The PS3 price has not increased, and the price for 360 you listed were limited sale prices, not current retail price.

US Prices are as follows:

PS3 - $250, 300, 350
360 - $200, 300, 300, 400


I have to say I doubt that.  Why on Earth would the retailers take a hit for MS?  They don't need to.  It's much more likley these are vendor funded promotions with MS taking the bulk of the hit.  In consumer electronics the retailer very rarely takes the bulk of the hit for deals like this.  When you see Sony TVs promoted Sony is paying for it.  When you see Samsung TVs promoted Samsung is paying for it.  That's the way it is normally.  The retailers would rather sell less 360s for more profit margin than more for less.  I doubt MS is paying for the whole shebang of course - but 50/50 split is the normal start point.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

ethomaz on 22 December 2011
sales2099 said:
Also, could anybody do me a favor and post the 360/ps3 sales totals for 2010?

13,884,453

13,378,231



Seece on 22 December 2011
Reasonable said:


I have to say I doubt that.  Why on Earth would the retailers take a hit for MS?  They don't need to.  It's much more likley these are vendor funded promotions with MS taking the bulk of the hit.  In consumer electronics the retailer very rarely takes the bulk of the hit for deals like this.  When you see Sony TVs promoted Sony is paying for it.  When you see Samsung TVs promoted Samsung is paying for it.  That's the way it is normally.  The retailers would rather sell less 360s for more profit margin than more for less.  I doubt MS is paying for the whole shebang of course - but 50/50 split is the normal start point.


Of course you doubt it Reasonable

We've seen stores like Wal Mart make a loss on $99 Wii's with Nintendo making no losses, just to get people into the stores. Given we don't even know if these bundles even lose money for anyone, it's not hard to imagin retailers are taking less profit on 360 HW when it's selling by far the most SW, as the current king of American gaming it's obvious they're going to be doing this on X360, especially as the Wii and PS3 got prices cuts these years.