But it does have a chance. Both this year and next year will be massive for the 360 in America. This year due to how well it's selling already and next year due to the price cut.

And then it will sell at least a couple of years after that.

Sure, why not? odder things have happened. As for advertising posters, signages and such, just print out the new prices on plain white paper, cut it and slap it ontop of the old prices indicated on the posters and other signages. easy as pie.

It does not have the slightest chance. It needs to sell 25m+ in its last dying years. That is almost 100% of what it sold LTD, and there's no chance of that happening, even if it has 10 Halos coming out next year. Hell, next 2 years would need to be as good or better than 2005,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 and 2011 COMBINED !!. Seriously, anypne who thinks this has the slightest chance of happening is extremely delusional abouth the subject

It does not have the slightest chance. It needs to sell 25m+ in its last dying years. That is almost 100% of what it sold LTD, and there's no chance of that happening, even if it has 10 Halos coming out next year. Hell, next 2 years would need to be as good or better than 2005,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 and 2011 COMBINED !!. Seriously, anypne who thinks this has the slightest chance of happening is extremely delusional abouth the subject

I think Black Friday will be pro 360 because Black Friday is a US specific sales event, and in the US 360 typically outsells PS3 on a given week 2:1. It's less in the holidays, but 360 is always more favored, and if you look back at BF data, 360 always got a bigger boost (I think). you think to much. 2009 is the exception. my point was the Sony bundled games are newer so there more on the must have side, where as MS bundled games are not new so there not quite in demand. but GT5 tells a different story considering its up 50% each wk 

FFXIII-2 doesn't release outside of Japan intil late January, so only Japans boost is relevant here, and it will be big. Guess PS3 at best, could match 360 this fall overall. hold on 1 minute! Jan 31 which is good and bad considering ME3: wait ME3 comes out March 16th so that means Sony pretty much has the first 2 months of 2012? holly f'n hell. Jan./Feb. has mostly always been good to Sony and with TW coming out on Feb14th and Soul Calibur5 coming out in Jan. right along with FF13-2. PS3 sells should be higher then they've ever been for those 2 months. or at the least keep Sony ahead in the new yr. fighting games still do better on PS platforms. 

March has also been a good month to Sony, but other then Yakuza Dead Souls MS has March in the bag with software. lets see if that affects PS3 sells for the first time in 4 yr's i think.

I just have faith in Kinect. It's a stupid gimmick, but these gimmicks tend to push consoles. I think Nov/Dec numbers will be strong for MS due to Kinect, and If MS was smart they would make a cool Kinect bundle, not like the one they have now. i would say MS is not smart but they make billions a yr so that wouldn't make much sense. humm is this the same faith Seece is using? faith F'k faith. you'll need more then faith to covence me kinect will boost hardware! thats your weakest arguement yet and i can't say you've had many if any. but faith other then maybe religion is nothing more then blind. are you telling me your driving a train with no breaks blindfolded about to derail on to the streets running through schools, chuches and what ever else you can run through while driving a runaway train while blind cause you forgot your glasses at home but there right infont of you on the runaway speeding train but you can't see them cause your blind whether you put them on or not?

faith! you better come up with something better then that fast!

hell i don't have faith any of this will happenning. i look at whats out and whats coming out then i look and trends for yrs past and whts going on now, and with BF3 boosting PS3 hardware ww dispite higher preoders and sells ww on 360, and PS3 sells mainly in the EMEAA then i have no idea other then the past 4 or 5 yr's why a repeat of that most recent event of last wk won't happen when MW3 comes out. it can happen. it likely will happen. but we've already proven history doesn't always repeat itself or have you for gotten?

again when you when you quote this you better have something better then faith. 

PS3 bundles have newer games, yea, but it's not like Uncharted 3 will push that many more new gamers to buy a PS3 is Uncharted 2 did. It will obviously still push some, but many limited edition console buyers will buy the console out of sheer fanboyism. They did this for Halo and Gears in the past as well. meh. whatever happens it will be signifigant considering one factor and thats it has higher preorders then UC2, and did GEARS3 v GEARS2. srry but like GEARS although the bigger of the 2 UC3 will have a huge impact on PS3 hardware sells.

well it should anyway when you look at everything except R3.

With the 360 multi-game bundles, new gamers get a deal, and get 1 game from each major exclusive franchise, or from most of them. That I would imagine, would appeal to new console buyers more, and as they beat those older games, then they will get the newer versions used. They are clearly in no rush if they have no console yet. yep and as with PS3 bundles. why are we arguing this mute point? its not even an argument. its more like stateting the obvious. both consoles have relatively new games so for new buyers there even.

Console colours never come outside of Japan anymore. It's a shame because I really liked the N64 colours, and I waited to get my Wii in a special ed colour (got red). I think the White PS3 boosted sales in Japan in 2010 by 30k in mid summer for a week, so multi colours could boost PS3 sales by 50-100k during the fall, which seems exactly like that Halo: CEA will do. well lets see. 4 consoles. at 50k per console equal's 200k. or 400k. those are your numbers not mine? besides those consoles will stay on retail shelves so the boost won't stop thre. yea it is sad. hell we got multicolor controlers why not consoles?

I don;t get your comment about my history... your crazy. i wasn't talking about your history. it was a typo/miss print. look at the post below.

@Player1x3 its definately possible if you look at the numbers.

The ps2 is currently sitting at +56mil but its putting up really really low numbers atm...so i think it will end up at 57 mil or just below.

360 is at 33.8mil and will likely end this year at 38 - 39 mil.

It should have a relatively strong year in 2012, but i think it will be significantly down irrespective of the price cut, as sales will be significantly down during slow periods, new wii u console releasing and possibly nextbox hype. My estimation for 2012 sales is about 7mil. That should put 360 at 45mil.

after that microsoft will look to position 360 as the budget home console of choice (not sure about this though, all depends on how commited they are to the 360 and how well nextbox does) but if it does happen 360 will continue to sell respectably for at least another 3 - 4. They could have a possible  4 - 6 mil year in 2013. This will depend on when nextbox gets announced. But that would then put 360 at 50mil.

After that ps2 numbers are in site and all MS have to do is support it relatively well, keep it relevant as a budget console and keep it on the shelves for a long enough period. If it stays on shelves as long as the ps2 then it probably will reach ps2 numbers.

Its really not such a craxy statement to make. So i think you wrong for calling out Seece on that prediction.

@yo_john117 just realised i didnt need to quote you my bad