Seriously just WTF?
Honestly I know of the problems within Islam that lead to things sort of like this. But in this womans case it was clearly mental I know of people who said Jesus told them to kill themselves. Or that Mother earth did or their dead mother. I have heard several cases outside of Islam where people have become convinced to commit suicide or kill others either hearing voices or getting strong violent urges.
Unfortunetly there is little that you can do to prevent these cases. Unless you diagnose the problem early enough that family should have staged an intervention and gotten the women mental help. But honestly this is a common occurance and most people do not get the help they need in time to prevent these things from happening.
Honestly I don't think this women is evil or should be killed or such. However I do think she should be confined for her own safety and the safety of those around her. She should recieve treatment and mental help until she dies. She did not appear to be doing this of her own free will, she is mentally incapable of taking responsability for her actions.
I have never been in the situation myself (Hearing voices or having an over whelming urge to commit a crime) but as someone with a mental disability I have met many with those struggles. I realize what she did was horrible but you can't say (Send her to meet satan) she was obviously mentally disturbed.
-JC7
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sapphi_snake said:
Religious reason were the drivign force of the Crusades (whether they were just a pretext used by those in power is besides the point, but it was the primary motivation of the common people). Why does Westboro Baptist Church want to ban same sex marriage? Is it not due to religious reasons? Is religion not their primary motivation? And Ghandi was really wrong about that. I'd say it's the other way around. |
And Martin Luther King's main pretext for making the arguement for equality was religion.
Aside from that... your basically calling Gahndi's entire nonviolent peace movement a lie in that case sicne that was the basis of his entire movement. His driving force you could say.
Though i'm not surprised as you and Gahndi are pretty diametrically apposed philosphy wise.
I just find it funny you'd feel the audacity to just outright say "Gahndi was wrong". On the one hand someone usually considered one of the top 25 or so greatest people ever who had spent a long time of his life studying all religions. Versus a bitter romanian teenage atheist who hasn't been expirenced to much more then one religion and who could be seen as a "tad" bit biased considering their own personal situation.
No actual attempt at a quote from another philosopher or antyhing. Just "Gahndi's wrong!"
Joelcool7 said: Honestly I know of the problems within Islam that lead to things sort of like this. |
Explain further.
Kasz216 said: And Martin Luther King's main pretext for making the arguement for equality was religion. Aside from that... your basically calling Gahndi's entire nonviolent peace movement a lie in that case sicne that was the basis of his entire movement. His driving force you could say. Though i'm not surprised as you and Gahndi are pretty diametrically apposed philosphy wise. I just find it funny you'd feel the audacity to just outright say "Gahndi was wrong". On the one hand someone usually considered one of the top 25 or so greatest people ever who had spent a long time of his life studying all religions. Versus a bitter romanian teenage atheist who hasn't been expirenced to much more then one religion and who could be seen as a "tad" bit biased considering their own personal situation. No actual attempt at a quote from another philosopher or antyhing. Just "Gahndi's wrong!" |
'Ghandi is wrong' is all I really have time to say right now.
Out of curiosity, who would you say I'm like 'philosphy-wise'? I'm quite curious, since it will say a lot about the image you have of myself (and considering the way you usually refer to me, I'm expecting someone nasty).
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padib said:
Okay, well Martin Luther King? Strictly religiously motivated or strictly politically motivated, or both? |
Yes, they sure are passionate. So passionate that they could commit murder.
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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
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padib said:
And liberate a race :D |
? I don't get what you're tryign to say. Don't know of any religious fanatic who 'liberated a race'.
"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"
"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
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sapphi_snake said:
'Ghandi is wrong' is all I really have time to say right now. Out of curiosity, who would you say I'm like 'philosphy-wise'? I'm quite curious, since it will say a lot about the image you have of myself (and considering the way you usually refer to me, I'm expecting someone nasty). |
It's pretty simple really, and not anything I think you'd disagree with... it's worth noting that Gahdni's entire movement was based on Satya... what is Satya? It's Truth, according to Ghandi, what is Truth?
Truth = God.
Gahndi's entire movement was based on his religious faith.
Aside from that... lets compare with Gahndi.
Gahndi: Relgions are inherently good. You: Religions are inherently bad.
Gahndi: "Supplication, worship, prayer are no superstition; they are acts more real than the acts of eating, drinking, sitting or walking. It is no exaggeration to say that they alone are real, all else is unreal." You: I mean do I even need something here?
Gahdni: People are in inherently good. You: People are inherently self interested and therefore "bad".
Gahndi: "Nothing is impossible for pure love" You: Obviously don't believe that.
Gahdni: believed in the smallest amount of government possible. You: For huge overarching governments
Gahndi: Anti gun control. "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest" You: As far as i can tell would like to see all guns banned
Gahndi: deal with discrimination and other issues with nonviolence. You: have a wide stretch of laws to rigidly prevent any kind of bigotry. (Except religious bigotry.)
Gahndi: I had learnt at the outset not to carry on public work with borrowed money. One could rely on people's promises in most matters, except in respect of money. You: Seem to be a pretty clear Keynsian.
Ghandi: To attain to perfect purity one has to become absolutely passion-free in thought, speech and action; to rise above the opposing currents of love and hatred, attachment and repulsion. You: believe in a passioned view of things rather then looking at things purely logically.
All said though, your current bigotry towards religion is clearly due to your own situation where you are an atheist but afraid to mention it to your family. It's a fairly common way for religious bigotry to be born out. Though it makes no more sense then someone who hates black people because he was jumped by some black people.
When it comes to your own situation, Gahndi would say to tell your parents the truth and non-violently accept all the consequences that comes with it.
padib said:
The black people were liberated from racism after a movement largely driven by Martin Luther King. Granted the black people of America did it themselves, but they drew great inspiration from one man and that was MLK. I don't see where you're coming from though... |
Except, Martin Luther King was not a religious fanatic.
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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
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Kasz216 said:
It's pretty simple really, and not anything I think you'd disagree with... it's worth noting that Gahdni's entire movement was based on Satya... what is Satya? It's Truth, according to Ghandi, what is Truth? Truth = God. Gahndi's entire movement was based on his religious faith.
Aside from that... lets compare with Gahndi. Gahndi: Relgions are inherently good. You: Religions are inherently bad. Gahndi: "Supplication, worship, prayer are no superstition; they are acts more real than the acts of eating, drinking, sitting or walking. It is no exaggeration to say that they alone are real, all else is unreal." You: I mean do I even need something here? Gahdni: People are in inherently good. You: People are inherently self interested and therefore "bad". Gahndi: "Nothing is impossible for pure love" You: Obviously don't believe that. Gahdni: believed in the smallest amount of government possible. You: For huge overarching governments Gahndi: Anti gun control. "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest" You: As far as i can tell would like to see all guns banned Gahndi: deal with discrimination and other issues with nonviolence. You: have a wide stretch of laws to rigidly prevent any kind of bigotry. (Except religious bigotry.) Gahndi: I had learnt at the outset not to carry on public work with borrowed money. One could rely on people's promises in most matters, except in respect of money. You: Seem to be a pretty clear Keynsian. Ghandi: To attain to perfect purity one has to become absolutely passion-free in thought, speech and action; to rise above the opposing currents of love and hatred, attachment and repulsion. You: believe in a passioned view of things rather then looking at things purely logically. All said though, your current bigotry towards religion is clearly due to your own situation where you are an atheist but afraid to mention it to your family. It's a fairly common way for religious bigotry to be born out. Though it makes no more sense then someone who hates black people because he was jumped by some black people. When it comes to your own situation, Gahndi would say to tell your parents the truth and non-violently accept all the consequences that comes with it. |
I can see why you said that Gandhi and I are opposites. I disagree with the bolded point though. I don't think that humans are inherently anything. And while I agree with the underlined part, that's really a flaw of mine, rather than a conscious belief. I can't really help that one (I do try though).
You're wrong about the reason why I dislike religion though. That's not even strong enough to fuel my irrational 'passionate' impulses. You didn't really answer my question though. Was afraid youcompare me with some nasty individual.
"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"
"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
(The Voice of a Generation and Seece)
"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
(pizzahut451)