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I've never seen the Japanese market this healthy in my entire life. The Nintendo DS can move software like no other.



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I don't know why people blame first party games on Wii/DS. Quality games will sale regardless whether it's first, second or third party. (Most of the time, anyways)



I said it before & I'll say it many times again.

Without Japan, consoles no longer exist.

Without Japan, home consoles no longer exist.

Without Japan, handheld consoles no longer exist.

The Famicom, The Nintendo Entertainment System & 1985 kept gaming from being computer only.

It is because of Japan and specifically the Japanese company from Kyoto why consoles are still in production.

Because of this fact, the Japanese market will ALWAYS be important. No matter if other regions beat it in sales or not. The fact that the existence of this industry is tied to this land makes it all-important.

See Nintendo's DS & Wii, Sony's PS2 & PSP for details. The trends begin there and then spread out to the rest of the world.

The videogame business is a Japanese thing. Has been this way since 1985. America lost ruling claims to this business after the crash. Notice...no Microsoft handheld?

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robjoh said:
Hyperion said:
Nintendo and other companies have done very well on the Wii...Wait, scratch that, ONLY Nintendo has benefitted from Wii. The DS and PS2 are doing well with 3rd parties in Japan, but the Wii is just a failure in that respect. The only 3rd party that has managed to release a game with the sales of 250K is SE (maybe one of the DBZ games sold that much). Everything else...what' the word--oh yeah, flopped.

People should really start to worry when games like No More Heroes, Opoona, Dewey's Adventure, and many other games struggle to even reach 50k. I know it's only a year into the Wii's lifetime--I also know that a lot of the games are no better than horse excrement--but you can't deny the fact that games really aren't selling over there. Whereas in America, the Wii seems very healthy for 3rd parties, despite what many peopel say.

 Actualy as I see it, no third party is even remotly so succesfull as Nintendo even if we include Nintendo plattforms, PS2/3 PSP and xbox360. Nintendo stands for almost 50% of the software sales in Japan. That is a little bit scary.


Wow, that is scary. =/

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johnlucas said:

I said it before & I'll say it many times again.

Without Japan, consoles no longer exist.

Without Japan, home consoles no longer exist.

Without Japan, handheld consoles no longer exist.

The Famicom, The Nintendo Entertainment System & 1985 kept gaming from being computer only.

It is because of Japan and specifically the Japanese company from Kyoto why consoles are still in production.

Because of this fact, the Japanese market will ALWAYS be important. No matter if other regions beat it in sales or not. The fact that the existence of this industry is tied to this land makes it all-important.

See Nintendo's DS & Wii, Sony's PS2 & PSP for details. The trends begin there and then spread out to the rest of the world.

The videogame business is a Japanese thing. Has been this way since 1985. America lost ruling claims to this business after the crash. Notice...no Microsoft handheld?

John Lucas


By your reckoning, the world should still cower in fear of the British Navy.

Japan is still important in many ways but its importance is changing and in some ways, dwindling. Talking it up for things that happened 20 years ago while ignoring the current situation is asinine.




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Game_boy said:
Kai Master said:
"(although I do wish ioi would promote Europe to a category of her own, rather than lumping us up in Others. what kind of a Briton is he, really?)"

+1

This "Others" category just makes me sick! This is like using this term to qualify the sates of USA : Mexico, Canada and "others" (USA) (would you like that, American people?) You have to relize that EU-27 is a United States of Europe (USE) of 27 members (at the end of the construction it is going to be circa 50 states like in the USA).

-1 to VGC! lol

 

That's not what the EU is at all! I agree that America, Japan, Europe and Others should be seperate because Europe is bigger than Japan, but the EU is a loose common policy on immigration, human rights, markets, competition regulation and currency (but none of those are really compulsory: the UK is included in neither the Euro or the more open borders) and each country retains practically all of its pre-membership power.The EU cannot in practice force any decision over a dissenting member.

So, the EU is not a US arrangement and never will be (look at the Consititution rejection; all that did was have an EU President and a few more market controls).

The EU physically can't hold any more Eastern members at this point without damaging the Euro's integrity and leading to uneven treatment for the poorer and less stable governments in the candidate countries.

The EU is stronger by being together, yes (the Euro is supplanting the U.S. Dollar as the worldwide base currency) but it will never be one country.


 "The EU cannot in practice force any decision over a dissenting member." yes and no, the comission can rule a salty penalty for countries that do not follow the rules, the EU is more and more influantianal and powerful, the construction is not over and in the end we will finish to be like the USA with one president, etc. I'm sure of it. And VGC should consider europe as a single market for the sales data so that in the future when the EU is complete that would be easier to compare data from past to present. (ok it might take 20 years to complete the EU and become the USE).

"but it will never be one country."  I think it will, even though there still would be several languages unlike USA.



The Japanese and US market is a very important market not just in terms of number of sales but because of the numbers of developers. Japanese and US has the most important game developers. A console that have success in Japan will have most of Japanese developer support and that means a lot to the console game library. That is why I think that Japan and US market is more important than the Euro market because of developers support.



For you guys claiming Europe should be listed separately and using the US as an example -- you do realize that the US is not listed separately, right?



Japan still (and probably always) matters but I think it matters less because the the global gaming market is growing faster than the gaming market for Japan is growing.

This is a good thing in my eyes as Japan wont have as much influence in the gaming industry.  Japan is a very protectionist country (from cars to consoles) so for economics sake I'm glad to see the market shift more to America and Europe where people tend to buy products for quality or perception instead of nationality reasons.  I also prefer Western style games to Japanese style (except for Nintendo classics), so thats more good news for me.

I'd love to see the gaming market in Europe become even stronger.  Europe makes the best everything from cars to clothes so I'd like to see them make a serious attempt at the console market (Phillip's horride attempt doesnt count, I think there Belgium off the top of my head).  In my dream gaming world there would be Microsoft, Nintendo, and some European gaming console and hopefully by then I'll have enough expendable income to splurge on all three.



America = Best Gaming Console

Europe = Best Game Developers