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Which handheld do you think will be better?

Vita 190 44.60%
 
3DS 207 48.59%
 
Both will be the same 8 1.88%
 
I don't care 21 4.93%
 
Total:426
Icyedge on 20 September 2011
d21lewis said:
Icyedge said:
All portable system up to the DS always had similar games. Its the second touch screen the DS had that provided new types of game. Releasing a tablet controller on a home system first would have did the same thing. If you get my point, theres no such thing as "portable game" or "home game". Its just that some games are more suited to quick play session.


I think what some of us (or at least, me) meant was that in the past, we always got games on a portable that had to sacrifice something from the console games of the day.  Like how Gameboy games were simplified Nes games or how GBA games were always a lot weaker than Gamecube games or even how PSP games were quite a bit behind PS3 games.  Some of it was due to interface.  Some of it was due to horsepower.

The PSV seems to be able to give us games that are right up there with the PS3 as far as experience is concerned.  Pretty impressive.  The other systems that played the same game as the consoles seemed to fail but their problems aren't likely to be repeated by the PSV.  I do agree with your post, though (especially the bolded).  I just wanted to clarify.

I agree with everything here. My comment was directed to all the "not good because it plays the exact same game then on console" bullcrap. Like you said, portable of the past have actually played dumbed down version of console game.



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JayLam on 20 September 2011

definitely PSV



IamAwsome on 21 September 2011
brendude13 said:
masschamber said:
brendude13 said:
d21lewis said:
Hey, quick question: The PSP got certain types of games because of its optical disc based medium. Games could be bigger on the PSP than the DS, right? Well, with the PSV and the 3DS, aren't both consoles pretty much using cartridges? If that the case, wouldn't it be possible for Konami to make MGS HD Collection for the 3DS? What's stopping them?

3DS is using an older technology and cartridges are quite a lot smaller, they max out at 2GB, but apparently, for MGS3D, Konami managed to get a 4GB card working for the 3DS and that is what they are going to use for MGS3D. They would need 3 cartridges for the MGS HD Collection.

One of the games was also a PSP exclusive, I'm not sure either SONY or Konami would want Peace Walker on the 3DS.

Lastly, the Xbox 360, PS3 and PSP are all very similar in terms of graphical power, porting between the 3 systems would be pretty easy. Having to port the MGS3D to a far more limited system like the 3DS would be a nightmare.

I'm not ruling it out but it is highly unlikely and would take a LOT of work.


both the psv and 3ds cards have the same storage limts, launch 3ds carts were 2 gb with nintendo currently listing 8 GB as max, mgs is simply the first game being known to use the 4gb cart, though cosidering the ds original max was stated at 128mb and eventually  512 mb games were made they can go higher

http://nintendo3dsblog.com/nintendo-3ds-game-cards-can-store-up-to-8gb-worth-of-data

psv will also launch with 2 to 4 gb carts, with 16 gb listed as max

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/03/ngp-games-will-come-on-2gb-and-4gb-cards-with-room-for-save-dat/

do your research, Shutton

 

Woaah, calm down.

I ignored the 8gb capacity results because they were from unreliable sources from 2010, whereas I found plenty of newer articles discussing the 2gb capacity cap. After Konami requested to use the 4gb capacity cards, I assumed that COULD be the limit that Nintendo has on the 3DS cartridges.

Still, I'm guessing the MGS HD collection will be over 8gb, it would be a tight fit on the 3DS 8gb cartridge but it's possible.

Here is a more reliable source confirming the 8GB cap. The page is in Chinese so you will have to put it through Google Translate. Several major sites have reported on the rumor as well. The MGS Collection can't be more than 8GB because it is also on the 360, which has an 8GB cap as well.  



Bunyip on 22 September 2011

Vita has good support right now so I think it will do pretty good early on. I just don't think that will last once 3DS really picks up, which I think it will. I don't think either will sell as many as their predecessors, but I don't think the split between them will be much different. I think Vita will sell about half of what 3DS will.



oni-link on 22 September 2011
IamAwsome said:
brendude13 said:
masschamber said:
brendude13 said:
d21lewis said:
Hey, quick question: The PSP got certain types of games because of its optical disc based medium. Games could be bigger on the PSP than the DS, right? Well, with the PSV and the 3DS, aren't both consoles pretty much using cartridges? If that the case, wouldn't it be possible for Konami to make MGS HD Collection for the 3DS? What's stopping them?

3DS is using an older technology and cartridges are quite a lot smaller, they max out at 2GB, but apparently, for MGS3D, Konami managed to get a 4GB card working for the 3DS and that is what they are going to use for MGS3D. They would need 3 cartridges for the MGS HD Collection.

One of the games was also a PSP exclusive, I'm not sure either SONY or Konami would want Peace Walker on the 3DS.

Lastly, the Xbox 360, PS3 and PSP are all very similar in terms of graphical power, porting between the 3 systems would be pretty easy. Having to port the MGS3D to a far more limited system like the 3DS would be a nightmare.

I'm not ruling it out but it is highly unlikely and would take a LOT of work.


both the psv and 3ds cards have the same storage limts, launch 3ds carts were 2 gb with nintendo currently listing 8 GB as max, mgs is simply the first game being known to use the 4gb cart, though cosidering the ds original max was stated at 128mb and eventually  512 mb games were made they can go higher

http://nintendo3dsblog.com/nintendo-3ds-game-cards-can-store-up-to-8gb-worth-of-data

psv will also launch with 2 to 4 gb carts, with 16 gb listed as max

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/03/ngp-games-will-come-on-2gb-and-4gb-cards-with-room-for-save-dat/

do your research, Shutton

 

Woaah, calm down.

I ignored the 8gb capacity results because they were from unreliable sources from 2010, whereas I found plenty of newer articles discussing the 2gb capacity cap. After Konami requested to use the 4gb capacity cards, I assumed that COULD be the limit that Nintendo has on the 3DS cartridges.

Still, I'm guessing the MGS HD collection will be over 8gb, it would be a tight fit on the 3DS 8gb cartridge but it's possible.

Here is a more reliable source confirming the 8GB cap. The page is in Chinese so you will have to put it through Google Translate. Several major sites have reported on the rumor as well. The MGS Collection can't be more than 8GB because it is also on the 360, which has an 8GB cap as well.  


I also don't think hardware will be an issue compared to the DS and PSP this time around.  The 3DS graphics wise is technically superior to the Wii, and could pull off sub/pseudo-360 type effects (look at SF4:3D, RE:M, RE:R, Zelda:OoT ,  Tekken 3D etc) so a down port of certain PSV games should be possible. (my opinion)  Then again maybe it's just me wanting a port of Dragon's Crown and LKS:2 for the 3DS since I'm not planning to buy a Vita ( I got an android tab, smartphone, and now a 3DS so all my portable needs are met)



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thetonestarr on 23 September 2011
IamAwsome said:
brendude13 said:
masschamber said:
brendude13 said:
d21lewis said:
Hey, quick question: The PSP got certain types of games because of its optical disc based medium. Games could be bigger on the PSP than the DS, right? Well, with the PSV and the 3DS, aren't both consoles pretty much using cartridges? If that the case, wouldn't it be possible for Konami to make MGS HD Collection for the 3DS? What's stopping them?

3DS is using an older technology and cartridges are quite a lot smaller, they max out at 2GB, but apparently, for MGS3D, Konami managed to get a 4GB card working for the 3DS and that is what they are going to use for MGS3D. They would need 3 cartridges for the MGS HD Collection.

One of the games was also a PSP exclusive, I'm not sure either SONY or Konami would want Peace Walker on the 3DS.

Lastly, the Xbox 360, PS3 and PSP are all very similar in terms of graphical power, porting between the 3 systems would be pretty easy. Having to port the MGS3D to a far more limited system like the 3DS would be a nightmare.

I'm not ruling it out but it is highly unlikely and would take a LOT of work.


both the psv and 3ds cards have the same storage limts, launch 3ds carts were 2 gb with nintendo currently listing 8 GB as max, mgs is simply the first game being known to use the 4gb cart, though cosidering the ds original max was stated at 128mb and eventually  512 mb games were made they can go higher

http://nintendo3dsblog.com/nintendo-3ds-game-cards-can-store-up-to-8gb-worth-of-data

psv will also launch with 2 to 4 gb carts, with 16 gb listed as max

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/03/ngp-games-will-come-on-2gb-and-4gb-cards-with-room-for-save-dat/

do your research, Shutton

 

Woaah, calm down.

I ignored the 8gb capacity results because they were from unreliable sources from 2010, whereas I found plenty of newer articles discussing the 2gb capacity cap. After Konami requested to use the 4gb capacity cards, I assumed that COULD be the limit that Nintendo has on the 3DS cartridges.

Still, I'm guessing the MGS HD collection will be over 8gb, it would be a tight fit on the 3DS 8gb cartridge but it's possible.

Here is a more reliable source confirming the 8GB cap. The page is in Chinese so you will have to put it through Google Translate. Several major sites have reported on the rumor as well. The MGS Collection can't be more than 8GB because it is also on the 360, which has an 8GB cap as well.  


If it can be made on the 360 at a smaller than 8GB size (which, btw, is there a source for this? There are multiple 360 titles that use multiple discs, which easily puts them over 8GB, I'm certain), then it would certainly be smaller than 8GB on 3DS, as there's less detail and much lower resolution overall.



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brendude13 on 23 September 2011
thetonestarr said:
IamAwsome said:
brendude13 said:
masschamber said:
brendude13 said:
d21lewis said:
Hey, quick question: The PSP got certain types of games because of its optical disc based medium. Games could be bigger on the PSP than the DS, right? Well, with the PSV and the 3DS, aren't both consoles pretty much using cartridges? If that the case, wouldn't it be possible for Konami to make MGS HD Collection for the 3DS? What's stopping them?

3DS is using an older technology and cartridges are quite a lot smaller, they max out at 2GB, but apparently, for MGS3D, Konami managed to get a 4GB card working for the 3DS and that is what they are going to use for MGS3D. They would need 3 cartridges for the MGS HD Collection.

One of the games was also a PSP exclusive, I'm not sure either SONY or Konami would want Peace Walker on the 3DS.

Lastly, the Xbox 360, PS3 and PSP are all very similar in terms of graphical power, porting between the 3 systems would be pretty easy. Having to port the MGS3D to a far more limited system like the 3DS would be a nightmare.

I'm not ruling it out but it is highly unlikely and would take a LOT of work.


both the psv and 3ds cards have the same storage limts, launch 3ds carts were 2 gb with nintendo currently listing 8 GB as max, mgs is simply the first game being known to use the 4gb cart, though cosidering the ds original max was stated at 128mb and eventually  512 mb games were made they can go higher

http://nintendo3dsblog.com/nintendo-3ds-game-cards-can-store-up-to-8gb-worth-of-data

psv will also launch with 2 to 4 gb carts, with 16 gb listed as max

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/03/ngp-games-will-come-on-2gb-and-4gb-cards-with-room-for-save-dat/

do your research, Shutton

 

Woaah, calm down.

I ignored the 8gb capacity results because they were from unreliable sources from 2010, whereas I found plenty of newer articles discussing the 2gb capacity cap. After Konami requested to use the 4gb capacity cards, I assumed that COULD be the limit that Nintendo has on the 3DS cartridges.

Still, I'm guessing the MGS HD collection will be over 8gb, it would be a tight fit on the 3DS 8gb cartridge but it's possible.

Here is a more reliable source confirming the 8GB cap. The page is in Chinese so you will have to put it through Google Translate. Several major sites have reported on the rumor as well. The MGS Collection can't be more than 8GB because it is also on the 360, which has an 8GB cap as well.  


If it can be made on the 360 at a smaller than 8GB size (which, btw, is there a source for this? There are multiple 360 titles that use multiple discs, which easily puts them over 8GB, I'm certain), then it would certainly be smaller than 8GB on 3DS, as there's less detail and much lower resolution overall.

It's two discs on the Xbox 360.

The original PS2 games were roughly 4gb's and Peace Walker was almost 2gb's.

With extra content from the Substance and Subsistance versions as well as higher quality music and textures etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the MGS HD Collection is over 10gb's.



thetonestarr on 23 September 2011

Yes, but you can't really use the original material as a model. Different system = different coding, and being updated can also mean cleaner coding.



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MasterVG71782 on 24 September 2011

Is there anything else that I can add to the opening? I can't really think of much else at the moment.



x_DMX_x on 25 September 2011

Vita...easily just because its going to have Street Fighter x Tekken.
3DS is not astonishing.3D on a handheld is the biggest gimmick this generation.