well after yesterday, baal was a good target for the night. You're limited in the extent to which you can clear people, but at least we know he wasn't the broken neck killer.

I really don't understand your hesitance.  The theory makes sense. But you seem almost defensive. In fact, you end your response by saying that I'm the one who's suspicious while simultaneously praising Radish (resorting to flattery now?). You give credence to the theory, but say it's improbable given the kill flavor, and then turn on me. I'm just thinking, how did you even come to that conclusion? Because of a different kill type? But you yourself say that there might be two ways to kill. In that scenario, I would just say, OK so he went after (let's say radish), and his minion went after nen.

How  are you countering the theory at all? Your transition to me is even more awkwardly written. Talking about the stone, when I never said anything about a stone. I thought the rod could change people's roles. ABC was the one arguing about the stone, and that was just yesterday. You're obviously not one for details are you Heph?

My only hesitance on trucks and baal is that the theory just might not be what happened. Your hesitance is that I'm scum? That the flavor was different? That you think I argued about a stone? I'm not sure I agree with you at all Hephaestos. Maybe you should reread the thread before (blindly) using misinformation.

Baal, why didn't you have the ability to act last night?
What does that mean?

(Bolded is not relevent but answer to above.)

No, if you take the kill flavor as significant, as I do, your theory doesn't make sense. If you agree to the 2 kills, then yes, but then the whole motive to "stay home" crumbles as he could have been tracked... in which case he could have gone directly at nen himself as tracking was not a thread... moreover, Nen had a high probability to be doctored, so being the one attempting to kill him was the less risky than doing an other kill with regards to tracking. (if you fear being tracked, a target on which you fail is a negative track).

I dislike the lack of info today, combined to a lack of activity, giving us a potential rushed descision by the town based on the dying words of a mafia member... and you seemed to be leading the charge just in that direction.

About you, I was actually fishing to see if you had some info you weren't sharing. You've played all game as if you had a secret that put you aside... even asking nen not to clear you if he scanned you ( http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4244582 at the end), which doesn't make much sense as he was already outed as the cop. And yes, I did mistake rod for stone, but that's not the relevent point, you're diverting the subject, You and trucks were indeed the 2 pointing out it's importance day one, something that ABC took up yesterday. (you asked if anyone noticed something and Trucks answered and explained). However, I just digged up the posts and this one ( http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4232078 ) clearly exepts you as you say "Yes the stone is broken, but someone might have "become the rod" so to speak." ... the notion is clearly one of rod....which defeats the link between you two as trucks talked of stealing a gem ( http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4232035 ).

So to put it bluntly, proff why do you keep on acting as if you had extra info, seemingly a belief that you don't need protection (yet ask for doc protection... then complain that nen wasn't protected)

(and i'll be an ass by saying you did say something about a stone.. that it was broken :-p )

It means my role restricted me from using any abilities last night.

how's the report going?

Through 200 posts and 1 page on word.

1. That is not true. Being tracked killing someone does not result in a negative result when it is doctored. Tracking always clearly says who they went to. It is the same as with a watcher who sees both a killer and doctor visit the same person. As to the different kill, don't you think that perhaps a one-shot ability might be a valid solution? Further, perhaps it could be an unblockable kill. I would take that as less risky, for sure, alleviating some of the pressure that I see. It's a valid hypothesis, but the argument is "which method is what happened". Is it that the killer killed without pressure, or killed because of pressure? That, I agree, is debateable.

2. My hidden info... If I could guarantee doc protection on myself I would share it. However, as another problem, I'm still unsure as to what the role is that visited me. If I could out the role and successfully lynch, I would do it. But at this juncture, it could severely bite town in the ass if I get that person mislynched. I will say though, that the role that targeted me failed because my role is un-________-able as a passive. Day 2, I was trying to get said role to use their power again, but they never did. As far as that person's alignment, I am fairly confident that he is town.

Secondly, to answer the related line at the bottom of your post, requesting doc protection for two people generally ensures that neither are killed, as a 50/50 chance is too risky to take. My assertion that nen should have been protected was a case of applied pressure. I wanted to know if Baal was trustworthy, and at this point, I believe he is. This is especially true when Radish says Baal did nothing, yet in the timeline, Baal answered first. That is good enough evidence for me to believe that he is trustworthy, as he could have lied. Further, I believed he was the doctor, so his answer is also trustworthy given all the role X #'s we have seen. (1 shot vig, 3 shot cop, 2 shot blocker).

This culminates in a group in which I'm certain of everyone except you and Trucks. Perhaps one of you is innocent, though, but which one? You both seem unconcerned with one another. I also think that it's possible that ABC was distancing Trucks using wild accusations.

As far as what to do today, let's talk some more and figure out what's what. We still haven't received Baal's promised report, haven't heard from Vette, and have heard little from Radish besides the claim.

2) An insighfull post. thanks for the honesty.

1) By negative result I mean "visited but no death", like what radish got for baal, which only says that he didn't break a neck ^^. Yes the one shot is the the theory I see as the most credible. notice how the abilities are 1 2 3 ... i'm guessing wonk had fun there, though these are also minor roles (cop is minor with 2 millers).

3) I believe we're fairly unconcered by one an other because of linkz... we saw the same reasons to lynch him, when others doubted... I'm still confident that given the info the lynch was the correct descision (the power was only revealed late... and without it's description... then again roleblocker kind of traped linkz).

I disagree with your notion that baal's quick answer is a proof of honesty... why would he have lied? A scum that stayed at home will just say that he stayed at home. And actually he'll be quick about it because he doesn't have the worry of keeping in the grey about having a power or not... and look at radish, his shot was watching last night, on top of his unlimited tracking, his role is important, as should be with 2 millers.

What i'm gonna say is a bit odd since I used it the other way against linkz... but after looking up the names in the wiki.... Does anyone besides trucks claims to have a bad guy's name as town? Hat was a charater that worked with nathan, raja was "best friends with nathan" in the past, my name is a good guy too... ABC was not such a character and was mafia... we haven't seen any real name =/= alignment. or am I mistaken on the names so far?

Does this still hold if Nen is night killed?