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EBWOP: Forgot to mention that I stated explicitly that I wouldn't lose my vote because I checked with Wonk. Would've been nice to be confirmed, but extremely unfair so I probably wouldn't have been happy about it anyway. Still, you're smart for considering the options.



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theprof00 said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4227759
Here hat makes his first reference to the miller claim, saying he's not in a stable mind yet to confront it. Someone mentioned this too.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228396
Here he describes how he was confused. This does seem like a reference to being a miller. Though still, his alignment and character do not match, even as a miller.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231964
Responds to Hephs post about bomb and miller.

Hrrrng..this is pretty conclusive I guess. Other people have talked about it and quoted him, but I guess I needed to see it for myself.

 

Let's have it then, are there any other millers? This is your last chance to claim. Further miller claims down the line will be lynch on sight.

I mentioned the "confront" thing here. Just taking credit for the find :)

I think it's pretty obvious there that hat forgot about Nathan and Harry working together for a brief time and that's when he felt that character does fit alignment and also role. Obviously it is mod-confirmed that it's not necessarily true across the board though.

Yes, it's clear hat knew he was a miller. I'm also curious if there are any more, as it was something I wondered day one. It seems unlikely at this point though.



It may be premature since the pace is pretty good now, but considering it's going to take 3 other voters and then we'll have a 36/48 hour deadline anyway:

Vote: Time limit

I haven't seen evidence from anyone that makes nen look good, so that vote stays, but I'll reevaluate it when he answers questions surrounding his claim of visiting hat.

Heph's a strong number two and I wouldn't be against his lynch.

I'm getting the feeling Vette or Truck are scum mostly by elimination. Vette has been far too quiet. Truck seems to be playing too... safe, but he's been scum so many times that I barely know his town play.



theprof00 said:

Actually I didn't know that. I'm neither a tracker nor a watcher. It does clear up a lot of suspicion though. Except, now I know you visited hat.

what to do what to do...

On the one hand I'm pretty sure you're not a cop since I'm almost positive of who is, and additionally you haven't played like a cop at all, while the person I think is the cop has been playing like a cop. On the other hand you could be the killer. You can't be the doc..On even another hand, I can't imagine you're tracker or watcher because you would have called me out just now...

I'm going to go through the posts again and see if hat really knew he was a miller.I really must figure out what you were doing there before I make any other decisions.

But I'll start by removing my vote

unvote nen

Playing like a cop will only get you killed at night...sometimes in order to keep surviving the nights you should tempt the scum to try to have you lynched by being vocal about your suspicions.

You kept asking about where i went last night and demanded me to answer correctly, so if u cant confirm my answer how can you know i'm telling the truth ? Or your saying you are a lie detector ?

Now i'n not confirming or denying i'm the COP  because  don't want to lose my powers....it'll be cool if wonk gave me the same treatment he gave Linkz



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Linkzmax said:

Vette has been far too quiet.

I'll second that.  When you said this my immediate reactioon was, "wait, Vette's in this game?" 



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A Bad Clown said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

alignment in the games does not mean alignment in here


FFS people!

But does role=character?

from uncharted wiki

Personality Edit

Chloe is physically very attractive and has a dry sense of humor. Chloe has a rather complicated personality. She values her friends but will be quick to sell them out, and thinks of her well being above all else. She is quick to take action and stays positive in dangerous situations. Chloe appears to be the type to walk away from a fight when she's in over her head. We see this when Nate and Elena decide to pursue Zoran Lazarevic, Chloe decides it's better to let Zoran attempt to find the Cintamani stone and retreat while they still can, though she ultimately decides to help.

For chloe I see 3 roles that fit character:

3rd party survivor (not what I think)

Double agent... so more spy in the mafia than miller imho.

Role blocker (very attractive and tries to convince others not to fight) -> what I think fits the best.

 

So really Role= character has nothing to do with the situation, it's not because one role fits that others don't.

 

For the record, I don't think hat's miller aspect fits perfectly either so I wouldn't base judgement on role=character 100%.



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Baalzamon said:

@Heph: I'm not exactly certain how you know for a fact that the penalty for claiming didn't affect Linkz.  Who's to say he doesn't have an additional portion to his role similar to hatmoza, that he may have lost for the day?  Also, how do you know he didn't lose his ability to vote?  His final vote was on nen.  Hatmoza and Radish tied for the most votes against them with 2 each.  We have absolutely no clue whether or not Linkz vote against nen was valid (Just because it shows up on the official votals doesn't mean it is valid...else we would more or less be told that he informed us of his role).


REALLY??? have you followed day one. Linkz announced himself that after asking wonk about it he was informed he wouldn't be penalized. To me that's a lie, why make rules for some and not other players, is it random? could kantor have claimed vanilla without penalty too? I do see the loophole, but since wonk announced the rule very closely to when linkz posted, he could easily have made a loophole free modification.



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Final-Fan said:
I'm starting to look at Heph for scum. As for nen's hint, if he's not working himself up to a cop claim I don't know what he is.

To be honest I doubt I'd be convinced by it (even though unlike prof I have no preferred candidate). Right now I still think one of nen and Linkz need to go today.

Yeah i'm scum cause I insist to lynch a player that you say is one of 2 that must go... that's infaillble logic.

Or maybe you say my points are wrong:

A) He claimed that his night result would be "guilty" (that is essensially what a miller claim is)

B) He claims that the RULES do not apply to him

C) His role is already taken by a dead guy

D) We won't get more info on linkz with the night, but we might get more info on nen

 

Please FF, enlighten me on how these points are wrong. You've put forward so many arguments this game, a few more won't hurt you.



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Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Wonk has already stated that characters and alignment don't fit and I can personally guarantee that they don't.


Chloe =/= auto good guy

Nobody has ever argued that. The only argument made is you saying hat believed Chloe, Elena, and Nathan = bad guys, yet decided he'd not raise suspicions against myself or radish and would keep who he thought was Nathan a secret. It makes even less sense that hat as miller would have this theory on the trio and think I'm being truthful about my claim instead of just confessing that I'm the scum he thinks the trio must be.

Hat will know, but to me the fact that he had to sleep on it means that your miller claim was not what he expected and his confirmation in the morning means he convinced himself that he was initially wrong in his approach. Proof of that is his reversal on the character alignment (which in effect, means that mafia would have been "good" characters).



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Linkzmax said:

Vig is doubtful because 1) shouldn't shoot first night and 2) should've shot me if anything.

@nen:
Why did you choose to target hat?

Yet his vote was on Hat the day before ^^



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