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Wonktonodi said:
I'll be making hat my co mod to help me out a bit. Votals, tribute videos, or just have him watching me to make sure I don't make more mistakes.

This makes me trust prof's bizarre information a lot more. Not that I was overly suspicious about it because that would have been the weirdest scum move ever if it was planned.



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Another thing I wanted to mention before about Linkz's arguments. The fact that hatmoza didn't suspect him (or at least didn't go after him) is not a proof of his innocence. hat is not perfect after all and he could have been distracted by the fact that Chloe and miller fit so well.



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

You don't know how many times I was about to do that. lol.

Please understand, I think lynching nen is FAAAR more important to lynching you.

vote nen-suer


I though nen would ask that, but... anyways i'm interested, why is it FAAAR more important?

Have you not been playing?

The list of things is endless, and while I think two millers is strange...lynchably strange even, scummy behavior is much more lynchable, don't you think? There's nothing I can say that hasn't been said, and he REALLY wants Linkz dead even while waving the banner of caution.



Everyone should put it out of their minds that changing votes means linkz is innocent. Linkz admits that he will have to be lynched at some point. We will do that, hopefully after nen flips scum.



Final-Fan said:
nen-suer said:
Final-Fan said:
Obviously, nen, we think you look even guiltier.

But why ? Is it because i changed my avatar or becouse i was mafia in the last game.

Just give me any reason and trust me i wont question it >_>

If you meant its just a feeling then thats cool.

It started out as a pretty vague feeling, but now I can really see Linkz's point when he says a lot of your posts ring scummy. 

Oh so its just a feeling. okay then

well to me it just seem like you & Proff are trying to save Linkz from being lynched by any means.

And with that my suspicion of you is alot stronger now and Proff isn't far behind you.



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TruckOSaurus said:
Another thing I wanted to mention before about Linkz's arguments. The fact that hatmoza didn't suspect him (or at least didn't go after him) is not a proof of his innocence. hat is not perfect after all and he could have been distracted by the fact that Chloe and miller fit so well.

that's my point... in my longpost :p



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Let me explain something else.
I think they should both die, however, there aren't many people going after nen, and Linkz has made some of the best arguments against him. I think it's possible that they are third party and mafia.
I would be fine lynching linkz and then nen, but I don't think many people will really go after nen when linkz is lynched (especially if he turns up as scum). I think the whole place will turn into chaos. Heph will go bananas, Radish will still be reading from the "Jesters playbook", ABC will simply follow whoever, and there will just be a bunch of people now knowing who to go after next because really, nen's arguments to lynch linkz are sound. It's just that his arguments are incredibly scummy.

So, yes, I think it's much more important to lynch nen. I have a very strong feeling that he's scum.
And THEN we can lynch linkz if you still want.



nen-suer said:
Final-Fan said:
nen-suer said:
Final-Fan said:
Obviously, nen, we think you look even guiltier.

But why ? Is it because i changed my avatar or becouse i was mafia in the last game.

Just give me any reason and trust me i wont question it >_>

If you meant its just a feeling then thats cool.

It started out as a pretty vague feeling, but now I can really see Linkz's point when he says a lot of your posts ring scummy. 

Oh so its just a feeling. okay then

well to me it just seem like you & Proff are trying to save Linkz from being lynched by any means.

And with that my suspicion of you is alot stronger now and Proff isn't far behind you.

Not at all, I'm perfectly comfortable with lynching linkz. But I think you should go first.



Also, I'll claim if we lynch nen.



Hephaestos said:

Four posts of note:

hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
So we know Heph,stating that he doesn't have a nice ass, isn't Nathan, Elena or Chloe. They have nice asses. Though I'm thinking maybe the mod is roleplaying Nathan.

So that leaves us with Radish and Linkz being one of the 3 characters mentioned above.

I can assure everyone that character does not equal alliance, or role for that matter O_o

I confess you're right, and I might as well give more information: Karma has given me the role I once fakeclaimed as scum. That's right, I'm a miller. This will save you from having to fake a guilty scan on me. :P No chance I'm rolling over and getting lynched though


Ya know. Til this day, I still can't believe how easily you rolled over that game.

As for your soft-claim. I'm not in a stable state of mind to confront or believe it yet. So I'm gonna think this one over.

 

hatmoza said:
Ok, after sleeping onj it. I believe Linkz.

He's Chloe and Miller. They fit. What makes even more sense to me is that he was not afraid to roleclaim because none of the consequences Wonk listed will apply to him. He has no ability to lose.

Interestingly enough, after reading a little bit more about my character, I have no proof like I claimed earlier that role character and alignment don't match.

 

hatmoza said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Wonk has already stated that characters and alignment don't fit and I can personally guarantee that they don't.


Ok, I can buy that, but I'm pretty darn sure character equals ability. That's why I'm so sure Chloe is the miller, and seeing how miller is only associated with pro-town players, I've deducted that Linkz is telling the truth.

I'll lay off the alignment talk because that was pretty premature of me. I cannot confirm it (though in Linkz case I give him benefit of the doubt). Also because characters of a flavored mafia game always have abilities that match with the theme. So yeah, I'm pointing out the obvious today.

 

hatmoza said:
theprof00 said:
Furthermore, I'm starting to think that your claim of having a nice ass is dubious. I think it's just going to be a big joke in the end, no pun intended. Something like "lazaravic has a great ass", or more suspiciously, "harry flynn has a great ass"


That is just low. I mean, how many times did I do/say something in the game of mafia just for the sake of doing/saying it? Especially on the first day  :3

So what we have here is Hat's train of thought on the situation:

A) he clearly reveals that he searche these top 3 charactes because he believes characters =/= alignment (post 1: So that leaves us with Radish and Linkz being one of the 3 characters mentioned above./I can assure everyone that character does not equal alliance, or role for that matter O_o)

B) Linkz flaters him by straight out confirming it and Hat, who apparently is not in his normal state of mind, decides to sleep on it, although he's clearly troubled by the miller claim and linkz's nonchalent attitude (Post 1:As for your soft-claim. I'm not in a stable state of mind to confront or believe it yet. So I'm gonna think this one over.)

C) Hat slept on it, he changed his allignement theory because, maybe, he understood his character wrong. If alignment = role, then that fits with chloe=miller and with linkz's nonchalent attitude. He does make what I consider as a mistake with the rules saying he has no ability to lose (I say his vote), and with that mistake he confirms Linkz's story.

Here I believe Hat convinced himself that he read too much into his character and that he did a blunder by outing names. (Post2)

D) Trucks post a very important information... I've been waiting for anyone to comment on it besides hat, no one did. Either Trucks out loud said he was mafia, or he confirmed what Hat initially though. Now here Hat rebutes it because he convinced himself that linkz was saying the truth, no other reason. And if you people recall the flip today, Hat should have been questioning his judgement being himself a "bad" guy. (Post 3)

(on that note, i'll volunteer the info that unlike trucks my character does fit alignment... I believe this is random as to not metastrategize on this point... still Hat's verified info was limited to his own character, that did not fit (you guys said he still tries to kill the player when he dies...)).

E) "harry flynn has a great ass" Prof actually had it true...Hat then appears wounded, he actually said the ass comment to lure out the mafia, but he convinced himself that he was wrong, therefore he finds it useless and doesn't know how to react.

 

Please tell me if my interpretation of hat's train of though is wrong... but I clearly do not see any valid motivation for him to trust linkz besides the character alignment one... that didn't even fit his own character. I'm sorry linkz but I believe Hat nailed 2 of you with one question. I do see how Wonk could have linked 3 important characters as the mafia group.

HoS Radish

There's no true reason why your stun did clear radish, trucks is right.... but if you flip mafia, then I don't put it beyond you to have thought of using him this way. Putting him under that presure could have  just been a way to distance yourself from him... and him voting you back as a revenge, which is the spontaneous reaction, would still happend if you were both mafia (Radish is spontaneous if anything). The only thing separating you two is his power claim... with an edit on it (thanks gamrconnect 2.0), that is not something you'd expect from two people in the same team.

Your interpreatation is lulzy.

The final post you qouted: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228559

Far later: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4230540 "Chloe fits the ability, just like my character fits theirs. And in case you didn't figure it out Einstein, that's the reason I believe you are town."

Hephaestos said:
Note however that should linkz reach 5 votes, I will hammer and should someone else be lynched today, I will ask for linkz's lynch tomorow.

More lol. umad bro? I'm taking back my town read on you. Seems like you got too anxious to wait for a townie to vote me and struck first after all. It's already a given that I'm going to be the first look every day while I'm still alive.