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Okay waiting for Linkz's defense was a good move, even if I'm not decided on what to do yet. I realized that most of my reasons for wanting Linkz lynched are based on meta-game and that's not the best of evidence.

There's some thing I'd like to have precisions on though. I don't get how the last minute voting by Linkz cleared radishhead of being scum in any way? Sure he didn't vote hatmoza to save his skin but that's a dumb move whether you're town or scum.

Aaaaand I had other things to say but I'm getting called up to do the dishes.... so I'll be back later



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Partway through reading the posts, I was going to say "OK fine, let's see if we can get a lynch other than Linkz's going" and vote nen, and Linkz beat me to it.

Vote nen-suer

Don't think this clears you in my eyes though Linkz.



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Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
and discussion has come to a halt.
Seriously? It's like nobody has anything to say. Kill linkz and then go from there, eh?

You're reacting to the speed of my lynch exactly as I would if I were looking at someone else's lynch. I'd buy them as genuine reactions, but you've demonstrated a few times that you can be rash as town about hammering. So not seeing a "screw it, 2 millers don't exist" with a vote makes me very wary of you. Still, thanks for delaying things. If I can get out of this, I like the odds of hitting scum today.

You don't know how many times I was about to do that. lol.

Please understand, I think lynching nen is FAAAR more important to lynching you.

vote nen-suer



lol ninjad, that's exactly how i feel ff.

Linkz you are not out of the woods.



Four posts of note:

hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
So we know Heph,stating that he doesn't have a nice ass, isn't Nathan, Elena or Chloe. They have nice asses. Though I'm thinking maybe the mod is roleplaying Nathan.

So that leaves us with Radish and Linkz being one of the 3 characters mentioned above.

I can assure everyone that character does not equal alliance, or role for that matter O_o

I confess you're right, and I might as well give more information: Karma has given me the role I once fakeclaimed as scum. That's right, I'm a miller. This will save you from having to fake a guilty scan on me. :P No chance I'm rolling over and getting lynched though


Ya know. Til this day, I still can't believe how easily you rolled over that game.

As for your soft-claim. I'm not in a stable state of mind to confront or believe it yet. So I'm gonna think this one over.

 

hatmoza said:
Ok, after sleeping onj it. I believe Linkz.

He's Chloe and Miller. They fit. What makes even more sense to me is that he was not afraid to roleclaim because none of the consequences Wonk listed will apply to him. He has no ability to lose.

Interestingly enough, after reading a little bit more about my character, I have no proof like I claimed earlier that role character and alignment don't match.

 

hatmoza said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Wonk has already stated that characters and alignment don't fit and I can personally guarantee that they don't.


Ok, I can buy that, but I'm pretty darn sure character equals ability. That's why I'm so sure Chloe is the miller, and seeing how miller is only associated with pro-town players, I've deducted that Linkz is telling the truth.

I'll lay off the alignment talk because that was pretty premature of me. I cannot confirm it (though in Linkz case I give him benefit of the doubt). Also because characters of a flavored mafia game always have abilities that match with the theme. So yeah, I'm pointing out the obvious today.

 

hatmoza said:
theprof00 said:
Furthermore, I'm starting to think that your claim of having a nice ass is dubious. I think it's just going to be a big joke in the end, no pun intended. Something like "lazaravic has a great ass", or more suspiciously, "harry flynn has a great ass"


That is just low. I mean, how many times did I do/say something in the game of mafia just for the sake of doing/saying it? Especially on the first day  :3

So what we have here is Hat's train of thought on the situation:

A) he clearly reveals that he searche these top 3 charactes because he believes characters =/= alignment (post 1: So that leaves us with Radish and Linkz being one of the 3 characters mentioned above./I can assure everyone that character does not equal alliance, or role for that matter O_o)

B) Linkz flaters him by straight out confirming it and Hat, who apparently is not in his normal state of mind, decides to sleep on it, although he's clearly troubled by the miller claim and linkz's nonchalent attitude (Post 1:As for your soft-claim. I'm not in a stable state of mind to confront or believe it yet. So I'm gonna think this one over.)

C) Hat slept on it, he changed his allignement theory because, maybe, he understood his character wrong. If alignment = role, then that fits with chloe=miller and with linkz's nonchalent attitude. He does make what I consider as a mistake with the rules saying he has no ability to lose (I say his vote), and with that mistake he confirms Linkz's story.

Here I believe Hat convinced himself that he read too much into his character and that he did a blunder by outing names. (Post2)

D) Trucks post a very important information... I've been waiting for anyone to comment on it besides hat, no one did. Either Trucks out loud said he was mafia, or he confirmed what Hat initially though. Now here Hat rebutes it because he convinced himself that linkz was saying the truth, no other reason. And if you people recall the flip today, Hat should have been questioning his judgement being himself a "bad" guy. (Post 3)

(on that note, i'll volunteer the info that unlike trucks my character does fit alignment... I believe this is random as to not metastrategize on this point... still Hat's verified info was limited to his own character, that did not fit (you guys said he still tries to kill the player when he dies...)).

E) "harry flynn has a great ass" Prof actually had it true...Hat then appears wounded, he actually said the ass comment to lure out the mafia, but he convinced himself that he was wrong, therefore he finds it useless and doesn't know how to react.

 

Please tell me if my interpretation of hat's train of though is wrong... but I clearly do not see any valid motivation for him to trust linkz besides the character alignment one... that didn't even fit his own character. I'm sorry linkz but I believe Hat nailed 2 of you with one question. I do see how Wonk could have linked 3 important characters as the mafia group.

HoS Radish

There's no true reason why your stun did clear radish, trucks is right.... but if you flip mafia, then I don't put it beyond you to have thought of using him this way. Putting him under that presure could have  just been a way to distance yourself from him... and him voting you back as a revenge, which is the spontaneous reaction, would still happend if you were both mafia (Radish is spontaneous if anything). The only thing separating you two is his power claim... with an edit on it (thanks gamrconnect 2.0), that is not something you'd expect from two people in the same team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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I didn't want to admit this, because it all turned out so well for me, but people are making comments, so I guess I'll have to admit it - I thought that it was me and Linkz on 2 votes each at the end of yesterday, not me and hat. I was watching Linkz to make sure that he didn't put a vote on me at the last minute, and I'd got "unvote: no lynch, vote: linkz" copied and ready to paste if the time came. It did- and I posted it. I didn't realise that it wasn't linkz that I was meant to be keeping an eye on - sorry all



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theprof00 said:
lol ninjad, that's exactly how i feel ff.

Linkz you are not out of the woods.

Which is what exactly ?

We don't want Linkz lynched (even tho he looks guilty) so lets lynch nen!

Maybe i'm missing something here, but what was the reason for you voting me ?



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theprof00 said:
lol ninjad, that's exactly how i feel ff.

Linkz you are not out of the woods.


if you guys want to purse this, fine.

i haven't looked closely enough on nen to have an opinion... though should he flip mafia, i'd understand it as linkz distancing himself from nen. I'm set in my reasons for linkz's lynch, they may not be propre proofs, but he still voluntered an unconfirmable clain that he'd scan guilty.

 

(maybe though Linkz is already hammered by plurality? didn't check the votals)

in any case, to alow the town to do it's investigation unhampered.

 

Unvote


Note however that should linkz reach 5 votes, I will hammer and should someone else be lynched today, I will ask for linkz's lynch tomorow.



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On Players

Linkz: heph, abc, baal, nen, ff

Nen: linkz, ff, prof


By Players

heph: linkz

abc: linkz

baal: linkz

nen: linkz

ff: linkz, nen

linkz: nen

prof: nen


With 10 players it takes 6 for a majority. With the current spread it takes 6 to lynch. 4 votes are needed for a time limit.



I'll be making hat my co mod to help me out a bit. Votals, tribute videos, or just have him watching me to make sure I don't make more mistakes.