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radishhead said:
I'm not going to vote Linkz yet, if only because his claimed role and power go together very nicely.

When did I claim a power?



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A Bad Clown said:
Hat basically said he was miller when he left the game, I doubt someone swapped his role. I'm going to vote linkz for now because of this miller confusion and it being unlikely for there to be two. VOTE: Linkzmax (on my phone so can't bold)

Where did hat say such a thing?



Linkzmax said:

What was hat's big contraction(contradiction?) and what did he lie about?

For 10th time "Character and alignment".

First he granteed that they don't match (based on his role) but then he switched and said now that i toke a deeper

look they do.



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Baalzamon said:
Vote: Linkzmax

I'm not buying the fact that we have 2 millers. At all. That is just such a huge disadvantage to us. It leaves way too much opportunity for mislynching.

While I wish I could wait longer to vote, I'm going to be camping/bow hunting until Sunday morning, and I want my thoughts known in the form of a vote that I'm not buying it. After Sunday, I will be able to fully participate in the game again (no tests or anything of the sort upcoming).

Not really a scum tell, but placing a vote when you won't be around for a couple of days is just bad. What I don't like is I can't remember you doing much of anything, like you're flying under the radar. I remember from a dead thread that you're usually quiet day one, but you haven't done anything today either.



nen-suer said:
Linkzmax said:

What was hat's big contraction(contradiction?) and what did he lie about?

For 10th time "Character and alignment".

First he granteed that they don't match (based on his role) but then he switched and said now that i toke a deeper

look they do.

And how was that a lie? Harry Flynn was a bad guy, which means he should be scum and not town. As for the bomb aspect, it's clear that hat hadn't remembered that bit and when he did his research that's what made it click. I don't know why he thought miller fit the character, perhaps because Flynn was forced to work with Drake, but I digress. His flip-flop makes perfect sense.

Now ask yourself(and everyone else for that matter) why hat would believe me? hat doesn't buddy up to scum, he nails them to the wall.



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Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
OK prof i don't know what you're trying to do with your mod message... but you sure have gotten a FoS from me.

Oh and so that what prof said is clear to everyone (cause it surely is clear to the multiple brains of the mafia)... if there is an RB, he hit a power role that targeted prof.
It's nice to have an RB confirmation... but it's not nice to have a power role confirmed to the RB, especially if this comes from a weird message you have no reason to receive and thus is an information that is confirmable only by 2 players (if they exist), the one that targeted you and failed and the RB...

Oh and no, I did not target prof and failed, I just don't see the positive aspect of spreading this info... however, I do see the potential death and/or confusion it can create.

Anyways... Vote : Linkz
my reasons for yesterday stand... and even more so now.

Your reasons from yesterday don't stand so well anymore. Much of it hinged on hat being mafia, which clearly isn't the case. 2 millers is highly suspicious though, so I'll give you that. I also think scum was waiting for town to make the first vote on me, so I'm leaning town on you. You're wrong, but I don't fault you for the vote.

I meant the reasons in my vote post http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231879 which is the non appliance of the vote rule and the early miller claim. (Hat obvisouly isn't a factor anymore, and Radish I believe got himself cleared by your little stunt in twilight).

I do agree that when I came back I thought it was wierd that the town was so hesitant to vote you with a miller flip... however I just can't see how your situation is at all possible, you're the stain in the picture, you shouldn't be there and thus the only viable explanation I see is that you're lying.

I'll reread hat's reaction to your miller claim later (soccer game to go play)... but he above everyone else should have been questionning you hard on day one...

and as a reply to your multiple winks that i'm town, be sure of one thing, if you ever flip miller, i'll look back at your inputs with great care.... from my experience, being falsely accused is a great way to notice the febrile prossecutors from the rightfull ones.



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Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:
There only situations there can be 2 millers are if hatmoza wasn't actually a miller (like trucks just asked wonk) or if Linkz is the opposite of hatmozas role. Super saint is powerful so I dont think wonk would put in the role where the bomb player kills whoever voted him first the day he was lynched. I can't remember the name of the role but I almost put it in my mafia game

Why would I have to be the opposite? A vengeful(Supersaint) miller is actually quite low in power. First, hat would have had to been lynched for the power to activate, and then it would have to be scum that hammers(or possibly be the final vote) for it not to simply backfire on town. Given hat was also a miller, a cop scan on him would make it more likely(just by odds) that a townie would hammer.

You're working against yourself here. If Hat was more likely to hurt town, then his miller role was more harmfull to town that a regular miller and thus it is even less likely that there is an other miller to balance the mafia.

Plus now it's official, there are vanilla townies (kantor), so if your idea that the no vote clause never applies is true, then that's Wonk purposefully missleading the town... and that just doesn't make sense.

No I'm not. Town disadvantages could be to balance a plain mafia, or to counter strong town power, or simply to make the game about hunting scum instead of relying on power.(Oh how cruel it'd be if this was another game with miller(s) and no true cop)

I'm not saying the no vote clause never applies. I'm saying it could apply to power roles if they claim when Wonk is at that option on the list. But it's not going to apply to vanilla claims.



nen-suer said:

Vote: Linkz

Thats 4 votes only 2 remaining to lynch, so don't vote unless your sure because you can instant hammer him.

'Lynch him, but be careful guys. Don't want to make a mistake, right?'

It pains me how obvscum you are.



Linkzmax said:
nen-suer said:

For 10th time "Character and alignment".

First he granteed that they don't match (based on his role) but then he switched and said now that i toke a deeper

look they do.

And how was that a lie? Harry Flynn was a bad guy, which means he should be scum and not town. As for the bomb aspect, it's clear that hat hadn't remembered that bit and when he did his research that's what made it click. I don't know why he thought miller fit the character, perhaps because Flynn was forced to work with Drake, but I digress. His flip-flop makes perfect sense.

Now ask yourself(and everyone else for that matter) why hat would believe me? hat doesn't buddy up to scum, he nails them to the wall.

You just answered your own question.

A Miller doesn't fit with Flynn character so "chacters & aligment" indeed don't necessarily match.

So why did Hat changed his mind and said they did?

 

Hat thought you were innocent, but that was just his opinion. Its not something that proves your inoccent.

 

Two millers exists by day 2 means there is probably more.

Kantor was a normal townie even tho his character was a good candidate to have an investigative role (and we should have a lot of those if we have millers all around town)

I'm sorry but with each development you seem more and more scum. 

If Hat was a normal townie i would have probably believed you, but now i can't even if i tried.



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Linkzmax said:
radishhead said:
I'm not going to vote Linkz yet, if only because his claimed role and power go together very nicely.

When did I claim a power?

I mean the miller power - it's a negative one, but I still call it a power xD



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