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radishhead said:

Since we're both still alive, it's time to explain the two things to you:

1) Here you imply that FF is town, and when I asked if you knew you left out an option you failed to say he could be scum just trying to mislynch you. This was a major red flag for me, but I can see you making that mistake as a townie.

2) Last night the votals had you and hat tied at 2 apiece. Wonk stated several times that a tie would end in no lynch. When I put you ahead, you must(regardless of alignment) make the self-preservation move of voting hat to tie things and keep yourself from being lynched.

Now I think you're town, because I don't believe a scum you would make a revenge vote knowing that your about to die pointing a meaningless finger at me with your flip.



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Now it's time to speak on hat's death and the implications.

First, I too regret not asking for the doc to save him, but I was also going to ask him to be scanned so he could be confirmed town. That would not have gone well.(Unless that was his plan so scum would hammer him)

Second and more important, I'm surprised that hat flipped miller. As has been stated, he was always a bad guy so I don't understand how hat believed that I as Chloe would also be a miller. I assume he thought I was a vanilla miller and that's why he started to question my alignment when I ignored his question. As hat's death proves, miller doesn't have to mean powerless. I am not adverse to claiming miller early to save wasted town actions at night; however, I will never claim vanilla or power(or maybe I will but I could be fibbing to mislead scum, mwahaha) day one because that just gives scum information on who to kill or use any possible actions on.

Another thing I don't get is why hat was targeted. Yes he's a good player, and yes he was hinting strongly at having power, but many voiced a distrust of him so he'd have been good to try to push a lynch on. If a pro-town player killed him, then speak up. Of course you're not going to be outright trusted, but that information could be used to confirm town via the doc's target. Otherwise, I am doubtful both prof and Heph(2 of hat's suspects) are scum because of it. I could write a giant post of it's own to explain why, but the short of it is they'd know his death(even without the miller flip) would help set up my lynch even more, and then they should be looked at soonafter. 

Since hat was also a miller, I wager there is a good amount of scanners in town. A cop, who hopefully didn't scan hat last night, is a shoe-in, but a watcher, tracker, and/or jack with one/both is also quite likely. I know it's premature to talk of the setup given only one flip, but I am convinced that's how it should be. Anyway, there's no rush to come forward unless you have information and can't convey your "suspicions" or lack thereof in a way that will get someone lynched or save someone from the gallows. 

I know I had more to say, but my brain is fried.



Baalzamon said:
My thoughts:

1.) I think we are taking far too many guesses in regards to the rod. I have no clue whether or not it is indeed a part of the game, and what it does, but taking absolutely wild guesses as to what it does really does us no good.

I don't see why the rod keep appearing in the story if its insignificant. Imo its safer to assume it exist in the game.





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theprof00 said:

But, assuming you know what you're talking about, did someone switch linkz with Hat? 



3. Now, my only guess to why the grenade didn't detonate on someone is because it was percentage based, Also, I think it's because if there is some kind of body switching then Linkz should have had a bomb, not hat, and for the bomb to not kill, it would require a RB, and it's just too complicated to be coordinated, especially if some ideas that I explain further down are true; ie; multiple factions.

One thing is for sure, and that is that Hat was not a miller yesterday, well maybe for at least part of the day. He claimed that character and alignment didn't match, which would be true because Harry Flynn is a bad guy. Even at the end when the bad guy betrays him he's still bad and tries to kill the hero. However, something made Hat change his mind yesterday.
Additionally, it was only later that Hat said to Linkz: "Do you have a secondary power"...this makes me think that Hat THEN had a secondary, meaning he knew he had 2, miller and bomb.
This whole thing is kind of irrelevant though, perhaps. But to me, it means that Hat was a bomb, and Linkz is the miller and somehow Hat became the miller as well.

I'm going to go through the posts and think of who some suspects would be. If nen is right, then someone might have given Hat Linkz' role in an effort to set him up. This might also mean that there is a third party, but it's not conclusive as that is kind of a complicated scenario and I've been trying out Occam's Razor.

I can assure everyone though that I did not want him dead despite him suspecting me. I'll take the time reading through and look for clues and hope to find some more posts when I get back.

I want to hear specifically from ABC, FF, and Trucks, but anyone can feel free to post.

No you misunderstood me.

The rod main use was to control minds (controlling votes for example)  body switching was an additional power that was lost after the rod was damaged me thinks 

The Killer surviving the bomb is what confused me , but now that it was revealed that hat bomb only affected the person 

hammering the confusion is gone.

So hat was a miller and Linkz says he is a miller, so either Linkz is lying or the town has alot of investigative roles (and hopefully one of them got a good result last night)



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Linkzmax said:

The time-sensitive bit was in regards to you not responding to my "how sure of hat being mafia" question quick enough for my tastes. The last time I tried trapping you with questions about the doc fakeclaim, you disappeared.

Unlike normal scum, Godfathers, Spies, some Serial Killers, etc. show up innocent if investigated. Counters to roles make for a good setup. Mafia does not have to be underpowered(compared to town power) for counters to exist.

The claim is mostly unverifiable,(I already joked about a Hobo or Lie Detctor confirming me, but they are true examples) but I'm the same as anyone else that claims town and hasn't been confirmed. Don't rely on powers so much and actually hunt some scum. From my eyes you're 0 for 2. After my interaction with radish before deadline I'm more inclined to thinking he's town than scum, so if you're town then you're doing horrible. I still don't think you are though.

Man your still holding a grudge

I don't run from a challenge and i'm used to pressure from other players, if i "disappear" its because i'm not on my computer.

And about me suspecting you, lets see...you role claimed miller out of the blue, you don't receive any penalty for that (let me add a LOL) and now we have a miller dead.

Do you honestly think i'm being unreasonable suspecting you? Imo if it was any normal player else you would have been lynched day1

but your safe  because alot of players feel intimidated going after big profile players like you (specially early in the game)



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theprof00 said:
Now I'm not sure which are more suspicious, people calling it wild or people thinking it makes sense.

People who watied for a the meta analysis before siding with the majority.

*FF enters suspicion list*



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nen-suer said:
theprof00 said:
Now I'm not sure which are more suspicious, people calling it wild or people thinking it makes sense.

People who watied for a the meta analysis before siding with the majority.

*FF enters suspicion list*

wat

I don't think there was a clear winning side when I chimed in (only 2 to 1), and I don't think it's reasonable to call me out for not posting for THREE ENTIRE HOURS after the day start post. 



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theprof00 said:

 But, assuming you know what you're talking about, did someone switch linkz with Hat?

 3. Now, my only guess to why the grenade didn't detonate on someone is because it was percentage based, Also, I think it's because if there is some kind of body switching then Linkz should have had a bomb, not hat, and for the bomb to not kill, it would require a RB, and it's just too complicated to be coordinated, especially if some ideas that I explain further down are true; ie; multiple factions.

One thing is for sure, and that is that Hat was not a miller yesterday, well maybe for at least part of the day. He claimed that character and alignment didn't match, which would be true because Harry Flynn is a bad guy. Even at the end when the bad guy betrays him he's still bad and tries to kill the hero. However, something made Hat change his mind yesterday.
Additionally, it was only later that Hat said to Linkz: "Do you have a secondary power"...this makes me think that Hat THEN had a secondary, meaning he knew he had 2, miller and bomb.
This whole thing is kind of irrelevant though, perhaps. But to me, it means that Hat was a bomb, and Linkz is the miller and somehow Hat became the miller as well.

I'm going to go through the posts and think of who some suspects would be. If nen is right, then someone might have given Hat Linkz' role in an effort to set him up. This might also mean that there is a third party, but it's not conclusive as that is kind of a complicated scenario and I've been trying out Occam's Razor.


"As soon as the rod was in the man reverted back to his old self"

So its clear that hat is indeed a miller/bomb and he did have his role swapped with Linkz or somebody else.

And from the flavor Hat was killed by group of people (mafia)



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Final-Fan said:
nen-suer said:
theprof00 said:
Now I'm not sure which are more suspicious, people calling it wild or people thinking it makes sense.

People who watied for a the meta analysis before siding with the majority.

*FF enters suspicion list*

wat

I don't think there was a clear winning side when I chimed in (only 2 to 1), and I don't think it's reasonable to call me out for not posting for THREE ENTIRE HOURS after the day start post. 

I'm only suspecting for your late input. Of course you were most likely not online at that time.

So my suspicion level is low at the moments. 

But my suspects list is too short and i just wanna make it look bigger *insert that what she said joke here*



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Final-Fan said:
I'm also really suspicious of Linkz due to there being a flipped miller already, but I'm not yet convinced that he's the best lynch the town can come up with.


Who do you consider a good lynch then ?

Yesterday you thought me and Hat are good choices even tho we were on diffrent fronts

And from the results i was right suspecting hatmoza. He did make a big contraction, but it turn out he was a lying townie and i cant be blamed for not that.

You don't wanna go with Linkz......so you still rather go with me instead ? or do you have another player in mind ?



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