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would you buy it

yes 49 31.61%
 
no 41 26.45%
 
maybe 9 5.81%
 
depends on price 56 36.13%
 
Total:155
M.U.G.E.N on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

 

you seem to have trouble understanding simple statements...heck you don't even know what calling out means. never called you out (I called out scottie hence why I quoted him and directly confronted his off topic and misguided post)..cuz frankly it's a waste of time. props to necro for doing what he is doing which is to try and educate

lol if being honest and up front with you is having psychological issues...i feel sorry for you and actually pity you :)

anywho good to see our lengthy discussion is coming to an end, it beaks my heart but I will survive..somehow

No one cares man.

People here are talking about a cool new 3D head-mounted display which Sony is releasing. Get with the program.

yawn..typical and boring. move on please.
oh and ps: good to know you know me and my buying habits :)



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Necromunda on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:
Necromunda said:

It's been speifically pointed out, multiple times, that its made to "Look" like the screen is 750 inches. There is no pixelation, regardless of if you want to admit it or not. Considering ALL of the major tech publications out there have put out a hands on impression of the device, and virtually everyone has stated its top of the like in picture quality, and no pixelation at all has been noted. I've stated this multiple times, yet you have yet to address this in a single one of your responses.

 Notice how there has been numerous size variences in report, stating it appears as a 750 inch screen from 20 meters, or a 150 inch screen from 3 meters. They aren't saying it ACTUALLY looks like a 750 inch screen, or a 150 inch screen, they are meerly giving a perspective, a relation to what it is like to use the device.


Thats because 750 inch screen at 20 meters looks the same as 150 inch screen for 3 meters...and probably looks the same as 0.7 inch screen from 1 inch (or whatever this thing projects). All goes back to the screen size vs viewing distance formula...

All those viewing options have the exact same amount of pixels visible to the human eye.

And as far as the tech impressions, I havent seen any mention anything about resolution. They all say it looks great. What does that mean? Till you show me a credible source saying "1080p would make absolutely no difference here as the human eye can't see 720p at 150 ich screen viewed at 3 meters", or till I try it first hand and verify myself, I don't see your argument...

And believe me, I will try and buy something like this way before someone like M.U.G.E.N if its as good as you say it is...


I'm not talking about amount, as much as I am talking about size. Resolution is considerably less important as is what most tech junkies are talking about, the PPI of the device:

The crux of the HMZ-T1 are the two OLED panels. Each of these panels is only 0.7-inch in size and have a resolution of 1280 x 720, which gives them a mind-blowing pixel density of 2098-PPI. Each of these displays on the HMZ-T1 are positioned in a way that they recreate the experience of watching a 750-inch 3D TV from 20m. Also, since these are two separate displays, it takes care of the cross-talk and the headache of watching a single display creating two images, as each eye is shown a different image, making the 3D experience more natural.

Size does matter here, thats the key, pixel size ALWAYS matters. Hence why Bigger TV's are better off with higher resolutions. What I'm trying to get at here is, by the human eye, these pixels are not even remotely close to being recognizable, we cannot distinguish them. Even though the screen is being shown as being displayed as in relation to a 750 inch screen from 20 meters away, the actual lens correction itself, most importantly, on such a minute scale, will be VERY minor, considering not much would have to be done, as you must realize, this is a VERY small distance between eye and screen (~1 inch) And as stated before, the only reason for the tweak at all is to trick your eyes into being able to focus in such a small distance between eye and object. So when putting this all together, even when tweaking, due to pixel size, you still should not be able to notice the pixels themselves.



Necromunda on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:

And as far as the tech impressions, I havent seen any mention anything about resolution. They all say it looks great. What does that mean? Till you show me a credible source saying "1080p would make absolutely no difference here as the human eye can't see 720p at 150 ich screen viewed at 3 meters", or till I try it first hand and verify myself, I don't see your argument...

Here is a notable snippit from IGN:


First, Sony has optimized the integrated lenses to give users a wide 45-degree view, eliminating much of the borders surrounding the integrated OLED displays. Within the context of Gran Turismo 5, instead of looking at what appears to be a tiny screen at the end of the visor, the HMZ-T1 gives players a much larger, almost wrap-around view of the race track or in-car perspective. 

With dual 720p OLED screens, Sony is also using far more advanced display technology than previous VR-style headsets. Instead of presenting users with a low-resolution, low-fidelity visuals, the HMZ-T1 actually rivals a full-sized HDTV in terms of picture quality. 

The quality of the dual OLED displays also makes 3D particularly effective. Since you're presented with a dedicated display for each of your left and right eye -- and because they are high-quality OLED screens -- the unsavory effects of stereoscopic video, like blurring, ghosting, and eye strain, are reduced. 



masterno on 04 September 2011

Sweet :D would buy it if had so much money that i just needed to get rid of some. Since it would be awesome playing games on that.



Branko2166 on 04 September 2011

If I had money to burn then sure. But considering it's something that is not essential to gaming and factoring in the price I will give it a pass.



 

 

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Icyedge on 04 September 2011
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:


When your next to it, they are at a size easily recognizible by the human eye. Just put your TV on 720P, get close to the TV until it take 2/3rd of your viewing range, you will be able to see the pixels whatever is the TV dimension. Just how an image projected by a 720P and a 1080P projector on a 100 inches screen look about the same at 15 feets away, but see an enormous difference at 6 feets away. Closer you are, bigger the difference resolution will do. If your very far from many different TV screens, you will not even be able to tell which is 420P, 720P or 1080P. But when your a couple feets away, its a totally different thing. The ability to differentiate different screen resolution is related to the viewing distance. Thats why disolitude is saying the 720P on those will not look THAT amazing, sure if you look at the .7 inches from 10 centimeters away the resolution will look amazing, but very very small too lol.


Your misunderstanding here, the pixels are MUCH smaller then a TV, so a comparison such as this is pointless. You will NOT see the pixels, as they are SMALLER then what the human eye is capable of seeing. 1080p, at such small sizes, is rather pointless, let alone completely impossible at the moment. Just to get an idea, so you can actually realize this, same for disolitude as well. So you guys actually both get the premise at what I'm going for here.

Draw a 0.7 inch by 0.7 inch box. That is the screen size for each individual eye. Then looking at that box, and how small it is, realize, sony is cramming in just short of 1 million pixels in that tiny box. Understand? Even up close, your eye is going to be incapable of determining the difference between each individual pixel.


Damn I thought my explanation was clear, its a basic optic principle. As you said, take 2 .7 inches boxes and put each of them at 2 centimeters from eyes, its BIG. If your looking from farther, lets say 10 centimeters, yes it will be crystal clear, but extremely small too.



Icyedge on 04 September 2011
Necromunda said:

This is the inner workings of each individual panel. Optics DO work differently in each of these, in base theory they may be SIMILAR, but executed in a different manner.

Another thing which I want to point out, is the actual screen itself, while wearing the HMD is approxamately 1 inch from your eye. Its been stated multiple times, this does not "Blow" up the image in the manner you say. It's been speifically pointed out, multiple times, that its made to "Look" like the screen is 750 inches. There is no pixelation, regardless of if you want to admit it or not. Considering ALL of the major tech publications out there have put out a hands on impression of the device, and virtually everyone has stated its top of the like in picture quality, and no pixelation at all has been noted. I've stated this multiple times, yet you have yet to address this in a single one of your responses.

@M.U.G.E.N, I'm mainly bothering, because his absolute pessimism is honestly staggering right now. He's never used the device, its clear he hasn't done much research at all on the device either, or has he read any of the detailed Hands-On previews from the PROFESSIONALS in the industry, which essentially upsets me.

Also, to disolitude, you do in fact realise, that this tech makes it "Seem" bigger, it does not ACTUALLY blow it up, as does a projector, as you yourself noted. Notice how there has been numerous size variences in report, stating it appears as a 750 inch screen from 20 meters, or a 150 inch screen from 3 meters. They aren't saying it ACTUALLY looks like a 750 inch screen, or a 150 inch screen, they are meerly giving a perspective, a relation to what it is like to use the device. This IS an optical illusion, thats how optical lens' work in general, they are essentially tricking the eye to work in a specific way, by bending light, that it normally would not due to how the eye controls focus, light, etc etc. Considering its only an inch away from your eye, you wouldn't be able to use this device otherwise.


If you make the image seems bigger, necessarily you will also make the pixel looks bigger, its a basic principle. Between, I have been a 3D HMD owner for 7 years, the resolution and contrast of this device is higher then mine, but basicaly its the same technology. Your just looking at 2 screens from a very small distance which make them seems big. Between, I find this device very cool, I easily understand that the one who tried it were amaze by it, I would too, but its not looking better then a 50 inches 720P or 1080P TV.

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/ig-hrvpro.html



d21lewis on 04 September 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
scottie said:
When Nintendo announced the 3DS, these forums were full of "lawl they have a portable that displays in 3d, it's gonna be the virtual boy all over again"

When Sony announce the virtual boy 2, these forums are full of "omg looks awesome"


umm no? not sure what forums you were visiting but let me help you remember what these forums were really saying with the 3ds news

 

OMG 3d WITHOUT GLASSES! Jizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

OMG 3d TV market are doomed nowwww!

OMG the PSP2 is DOOMED NOW FOR SUREEEEEEEEEEEE

OMG Now ALL 3rd parties will leave the next psp for the 3dssssssssssss

OMG this is so friggin cool it will be sold out for months better pre order this shit before that happens..maybe buy multiple to sell off at ebay

Hmpf.  I don't remember using that many Z's when I jizzed.  <_<



disolitude on 04 September 2011
d21lewis said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 

OMG 3d WITHOUT GLASSES! Jizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

OMG 3d TV market are doomed nowwww!

OMG the PSP2 is DOOMED NOW FOR SUREEEEEEEEEEEE

OMG Now ALL 3rd parties will leave the next psp for the 3dssssssssssss

OMG this is so friggin cool it will be sold out for months better pre order this shit before that happens..maybe buy multiple to sell off at ebay

Hmpf.  I don't remember using that many Z's when I jizzed.  <_<

There just isn't enough "Z" patterns in your system it seems.

Maybe thats because you need to pick up SF3...for 360...and do some shorykens while playing with people on your friends list sometime. :)

 





d21lewis on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:
d21lewis said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 

OMG 3d WITHOUT GLASSES! Jizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

OMG 3d TV market are doomed nowwww!

OMG the PSP2 is DOOMED NOW FOR SUREEEEEEEEEEEE

OMG Now ALL 3rd parties will leave the next psp for the 3dssssssssssss

OMG this is so friggin cool it will be sold out for months better pre order this shit before that happens..maybe buy multiple to sell off at ebay

Hmpf.  I don't remember using that many Z's when I jizzed.  <_<

There just isn't enough "Z" patterns in your system it seems.

Maybe thats because you need to pick up SF3...for 360...and do some shorykens while playing with people on your friends list sometime. :)

 

Man, when I saw SF3 on the XBL marketplace, I almost shit myself.  I knew it was coming and that you would call me out but I didn't train at all.  I've actually been avoiding you (catching flashbacks of the way you and El Gefe02 raped my ass online in SSF2 a couple of years ago....).  I'll grab it soon, though.  I'll just take my beating like a man.